What do you like and dislike the most about P38s?

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feyniriel

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I have a beige/silver P38, the one in my pfp. Had it for 2 years now.

Foremost I really like the design of the car, that's what attracted me in the first place. I find it very comfortable to drive, I owned a Honda CR-V before and my back would hurt after driving for the whole day. My P38 leather seats are much comfier. You can tell by the interior design that it was a luxury car in the 90's. I also like how smoothly it drives, you barely notice going over bumps on the road and it can go anywhere. I use mine for daily town errands as well as driving in medium-difficulty mountain tracks. It never gets stuck in snow. I once forgot it in D and in the night it rolled from the parking lot into a ditch, half of the rear was dug into the ground. Next morning drove it out on its own no problem. I Iike that this car can do almost anything. Had to town my husband's Discovery 1, put it in Drive and without accelerating it just went, pulling the car behind. It's like an elegant workhorse.

What I don't like: the turning circle! I can't park in town! I have to find an extra large turning space. This sucks in densely crowded European countries where streets and parking spaces are narrow. I also really dislike my sluggish engine, have to rev it to 4-5tkm to overtake cars. It may be due to it being an automatic. I also find the 2.5 diesel engine is loud compared to other cars, but I just generally don't like very loud vehicles, so that's a personal preference. In the beginning I was put off by how complicated the car's electrics are, but after going through the disabled engine, immobilizing, unsynced BECM, an array of problems with the doors, windows, buttons, EAS, static timing, etc, I feel like I've got accustomed to the electricery and after investing in a Nanocom nothing feels too scary to fix.

Curious to hear what you guys like and dislike about P38's?
 
I had 2000MY 4.0 thor. I loved everything about it but i think they are just too long in the tooth to be reliable as a daily driver. I only sold it because i couldn't keep up with doing constant repairs to keep it on the road and was forever paranoid about the engine block failing having replaced the engine once.
Window regulators, door lock micro switches, hevac issues, transmission rebuilds, TC module failure, blend motors, eas pump and valve block, all need addressing at some point on top of regular servicing
 
I had 2000MY 4.0 thor. I loved everything about it but i think they are just too long in the tooth to be reliable as a daily driver. I only sold it because i couldn't keep up with doing constant repairs to keep it on the road and was forever paranoid about the engine block failing having replaced the engine once.
Window regulators, door lock micro switches, hevac issues, transmission rebuilds, TC module failure, blend motors, eas pump and valve block, all need addressing at some point on top of regular servicing
I feel for you! I considered at many points to sell my p38 for the same reasons. Always some problem, at one point it felt like there was a new problem every week. But after dealing with the problems one by one, the car stopped having as many and became quite reliable. I mean, so reliable that we drive it across Europe twice a year and use it as a daily all year round. I keep a list of all the problems it has and at every spare chance try to fix them. I also keep a savings account for the inevitable repair costs. You can't have it any other way with these cars, really. Always need some spare cash, unless you have an extra car. But honestly all old cars break, it's in the nature of them to do so, so you'll need maintenance with any car you'll own.
 
They get under your skin and you can't part with them. The times in the past I was getting rid BUT now what would I buy. On a limited budget its cheaper to run my P38 than buy another car for the money I would get for her.
True, also doesn't help that their value doesn't seem to be going up with age like D2 for example. I remember seeing them on sale for a couple thousand back in 2020-2021. Now try finding a disco 2 for even 5000e, you'd be really lucky. (unless you're from UK, of course, then you're fortunate)
 
L322s are great value too at the moment it seems. Disco 2s are among the expedition / adventure crowd favorites, hence the price hikes. Personally, I am cautious about anything with electronics, simply because I cannot repair that. But then I don't use my RRC as a daily neither, doesn't mattwr if she's not road worthy for a couple months.
 
I have a beige/silver P38, the one in my pfp. Had it for 2 years now.

Foremost I really like the design of the car, that's what attracted me in the first place. I find it very comfortable to drive, I owned a Honda CR-V before and my back would hurt after driving for the whole day. My P38 leather seats are much comfier. You can tell by the interior design that it was a luxury car in the 90's. I also like how smoothly it drives, you barely notice going over bumps on the road and it can go anywhere. I use mine for daily town errands as well as driving in medium-difficulty mountain tracks. It never gets stuck in snow. I once forgot it in D and in the night it rolled from the parking lot into a ditch, half of the rear was dug into the ground. Next morning drove it out on its own no problem. I Iike that this car can do almost anything. Had to town my husband's Discovery 1, put it in Drive and without accelerating it just went, pulling the car behind. It's like an elegant workhorse.

What I don't like: the turning circle! I can't park in town! I have to find an extra large turning space. This sucks in densely crowded European countries where streets and parking spaces are narrow. I also really dislike my sluggish engine, have to rev it to 4-5tkm to overtake cars. It may be due to it being an automatic. I also find the 2.5 diesel engine is loud compared to other cars, but I just generally don't like very loud vehicles, so that's a personal preference. In the beginning I was put off by how complicated the car's electrics are, but after going through the disabled engine, immobilizing, unsynced BECM, an array of problems with the doors, windows, buttons, EAS, static timing, etc, I feel like I've got accustomed to the electricery and after investing in a Nanocom nothing feels too scary to fix.

Curious to hear what you guys like and dislike about P38's?

Pretty much the same as you.

Pros.

1) For the price it is a hell of a lot of car, especially if you have a scrapper for parts and a backup car (our backup is now Honda Jazz!).
2) I can use it for work and it takes a ton of wood with no issues or can tow all day.
3) Can use it all day without doing my back in.
4) Capable enough on snow / off-road but not too expensive to fix.

Cons.

1) The diesel is a tad underpowered and compared to a modern diesel, a bit noisy. On the plus side it is much more reliable than all the modern diesels I know.
2) The manual box makes hill starts when towing heavy loads a PITA, especially because the transfer box cannot shift between Low and High when moving.
3) The ride isn't as good as more modern vehicles, especially the later Range Rovers. But then what do you expect from solid axles?!
4) Land Rover taking the **** on original part prices just because it is for a Range Rover. When new and dealing with millionaires and trying to recover development costs that might be acceptable. But for enthusiasts keeping these old cars on the road on a budget (which does Land Rover's reputation good - how many 30 year old cars look or drive as well?) there ought to be a owner's club or Landyzone discount to a profit margin just enough to cover the service charge. Good for the planet too.
 
I had 2000MY 4.0 thor. I loved everything about it but i think they are just too long in the tooth to be reliable as a daily driver. I only sold it because i couldn't keep up with doing constant repairs to keep it on the road and was forever paranoid about the engine block failing having replaced the engine once.
Window regulators, door lock micro switches, hevac issues, transmission rebuilds, TC module failure, blend motors, eas pump and valve block, all need addressing at some point on top of regular servicing
My P38 gives me a darn sight less trouble than your L322.
 
I got my P38 because they were cheap and it was the only 4 X 4 that I could afford to replace my Hyundai Galloper (an old model Pajero made under licence)
I wanted a 4 X 4 for towing.

It's comfortable, steering and seat adjustment mean I can get a good driving position for my dodgy back
On the move it's very quiet especially with no viscous fan.
Plenty of power compared to any of my previous 4 X 4's
Ride is as good as any car I have ever owned and I have had a lot. Choice of tyres, shocks and air springs all affect this.
Very cheap to maintain
The electronics and in particular the EAS are from my era so I had no fears there.
Surprisingly, in 16 years, there have only been 2 problematic failures, a split RAD and a failed water pump the latter was the only time it arrived home on a trailer.

Against it, the engine is rougher than a truck at idle and low revs.
Constant niggling problems mostly electrical.
The awful split tailgate that makes reaching to the back of the boot difficult.
Local garages refuse to touch it. That means in the not too distant future it will have to go and be replaced by a vehicle that the local garage can service because age is limiting my ability to do the service work. I can't leave my wife with a car that cannot be fixed should I pop my clogs.
 
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Swapped for an L322, as I was sick of tracing and rectifying electrical faults.
EAS was a constant thorn in my side.
All issues with the Gems unit, were related to failure of the ancillaries.

L322 was a dream. I only ever had issues with the parking sensors failing and the occasional battery drain to investigate.
Sold on as maintenance and upkeep was a struggle with me being out of the country.
M62 never missed a beat.

Of all the Range Rovers I have owned. I've only ever regretted selling my Classic.
Effortless and comfortable.
3.9 V8 was bliss.
 
Swapped for an L322, as I was sick of tracing and rectifying electrical faults.
EAS was a constant thorn in my side.
All issues with the Gems unit, were related to failure of the ancillaries.

L322 was a dream. I only ever had issues with the parking sensors failing and the occasional battery drain to investigate.
Sold on as maintenance and upkeep was a struggle with me being out of the country.
M62 never missed a beat.

Of all the Range Rovers I have owned. I've only ever regretted selling my Classic.
Effortless and comfortable.
3.9 V8 was bliss.
A long time ago, I had a test drive in a brand new Classic when I was looking for a replacement vehicle. Unfortunately, the gear lever came out in my hand so the journey back the the dealers was in second gear! I purchased an XJS instead.
 
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