P38A Well... Here we are again.

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Martin H

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Back again with another P38. After a brief spell with a very pretty but EAS problem plagued DSE I slunk off to the Disco 3 world! What a a mistake that was. Cost a fortune to MOT. So having had a serious rethink I've gone for the most sensible and cost effective alternative ............ A mint '99 4.6 Vogue
I've known the vehicle for 8 years and it's incredibly fastidious owner for a good bit longer. Pick her up on Friday next week. .... Just looking up the price of a Nanocom now :)

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Looks very nice - something that I am aspiring to, (but still a long way off - and doubt whether she will ever turn out anything other than 'average')!

I entered P38 ownership from the opposite direction - I purchased a wreck!

Also looking at acquiring a Nanocom shortly as it does appear to be an invaluable tool.
 
Looks very nice - something that I am aspiring to, (but still a long way off - and doubt whether she will ever turn out anything other than 'average')!

I entered P38 ownership from the opposite direction - I purchased a wreck!

Also looking at acquiring a Nanocom shortly as it does appear to be an invaluable tool.

Up your way again this week if there's anything desperate.
 
Grrrr - Many thanks, once again, but my current 'woes' are both mechanical and, (dare I say it), self inflicted!

I will do a full write up shortly - with pictures - once I have licked my wounds!!

Martin H - apologies for hijacking your thread - I sometimes wish I had paid a little more and acquired something a little more presentable, (requiring less work), but, (having read many posts on this forum), this is, of course, not always the case!

But if mine only looked half as nice as yours I would not mind wasting my entire weekend on her as I would just take a break and gaze at her splendor.

All I gaze at, currently, are more jobs to be completed!
 
Grrrr - Many thanks, once again, but my current 'woes' are both mechanical and, (dare I say it), self inflicted!

I will do a full write up shortly - with pictures - once I have licked my wounds!!

Martin H - apologies for hijacking your thread - I sometimes wish I had paid a little more and acquired something a little more presentable, (requiring less work), but, (having read many posts on this forum), this is, of course, not always the case!

But if mine only looked half as nice as yours I would not mind wasting my entire weekend on her as I would just take a break and gaze at her splendor.

All I gaze at, currently, are more jobs to be completed!

It doesnt matter if you buy an expensive one or a less expensive one... they are all a phenomenal pain in the bum pretty much all of the time!
 
BTW 99 Vogue? Show us some more pics :). You should get a few quid a wheel at scrap for those when you change them to a factory 18" 's ;)
 
That I can accept - but not my own ineptness - which just adds to the misery!

Still I can console myself, somewhat, as I did manage to install a new master cylinder, (to my Suzuki GT750 Kettle), and then bleed the brakes, (all during a short break from the sunroof saga/disaster yesterday afternoon), and now my brake lever does not come all the way back to the handlebar - for the first time since I acquired her.
 
Martin H - apologies for hijacking your thread - I sometimes wish I had paid a little more and acquired something a little more presentable, (requiring less work), but, (having read many posts on this forum), this is, of course, not always the case!

Not a problem. We're all in this together. I did notice from your signature that you also appear to be a phenomenal masochist. I also until recently possessed a Grand Cherokee and still have a veritable fleet of motorised two wheeled conveyances. We're all masochists I tell 'ee.
 
Not a problem. We're all in this together. I did notice from your signature that you also appear to be a phenomenal masochist. I also until recently possessed a Grand Cherokee and still have a veritable fleet of motorised two wheeled conveyances. We're all masochists I tell 'ee.

Signatures?
 
Martin H,

Just when things are looking up it would now appear that I generate problems!

Grrrr will like this after his recent ordeal!

My P38 has had a big hole in the roof for well over two weeks now - that is the reason why we are all getting so much rain currently.

I only stripped down the Sunroof as it was beginning to bind, (although it worked fine when I got the vehicle), and the timing was opportune as I had removed, (and recovered), the headlining and I needed to strip the sunroof in order to get the blind out, (for recovering).

After two strip-downs, (and subsequent rebuilds - each time being extremely cautious with my freshly covered blind), the motor would still stall, occasionally, so I was determined to sort it before re-attaching the headlining.

I therefore decided upon a third full strip and rebuild, (possible hint of a 'I keep cutting this bit of string but it is still too short' moment), this time taking lots of photo's so that I could do a full write up, (there are lots of posts related to sunroof's but no full procedure - apologies if there is and I didn't find it!

After the third rebuild, (taking photo's all the way), and even having time to take a break, (installing a new front master cylinder to my Suzuki and then bleed the brakes), I proudly installed the assembly back into the beast, (having checked all of the functions/movement beforehand), only to experience the same motor juddering when I attempted to fully open the glass panel.

There was one exception, on this occasion, the glass panel became completely stuck and it was impossible to move the glass in any direction, (via the motor control or via the mechanical override), so I had no option but to remove the assembly yet again, (for the fourth time - but who's counting)!!

Things didn't get any better once I had the assembly back on the bench as I couldn't get to any of the rail mounting screws in order to release the mechanism and no matter how much pushing and shoving I gave the panel it would not budge.

I presumed, (incorrectly), that a foreign object had fallen into the mechanism and jammed it but this was not the case.

I had absolutely no choice but to try and lever/force the glass panel out of the way, (the panel occludes the various mounting screws), and, (as the panel was partially retracted), the panel mounting Torx bolts, themselves, were also inaccessible!

The inevitable then occurred - there was a loud SNAP and one of the glass panel retaining lugs sheared off its cast metal mounting bracket.

I was now able to access the rail mounting screws and I soon had the rails separated from the main metal chassis and it was now evident that the right hand slides were completely seized in the right hand rail!!!!

It took a rubber headed mallet to persuade the slider to come out of the rail and I have spent the odd hour, (every day this week), lightly sanding, (and 'wire wooling'), the rails in order to reduce the friction that has suddenly appeared.

I ordered a tube of 'JB Weld' on Monday, (and it arrived yesterday), and I have managed to repair the broken lug, (only time will tell if the joint will support the glass panel), but the joint looks very good, (strong and solid), so my fingers are crossed - I also repaired one of the lantern frames on one of our lampposts whilst I was at it!

So I am now trying to reduce the friction, (on both rails), to the absolute minimum before I re-install the assembly once again.

There was no foreign bodies caught in the rails/mechanism the rails are straight and true, (no warping or twisting),so I am at a complete loss as to what has occurred and I am even considering any 'esoterical' factors, (temperature differentials causing different expansion of materials, oil/grease absorption into the nylon/plastic sliders, etc), perhaps Wammers may have seen, (or heard of), this particular issue, (although he may state that it is simply down to my ham-fisted handling of the assembly!

I am hoping that my next post may be a little more positive!!
 
I might be wrong (and someone will no doubt let me know) as I've not had any trouble with the sunroof on my P38, but it looks very similar to the unit that was fitted in my Classic LSE which was identical to the unit fitted to the Rover 800 I had previously. I think they were also used in the 600 and possibly even the 75. LR were very parsimonious about re using bits from the parts bins.
You should be able to pick up a unit for spares fairly easily.

A
 
Odyssey,

Many thanks for your comments.

I purchased some JB Weld on Monday, (it arrived yesterday), and I have now repaired the important lug that I broke on Sunday so hoping that I won't have to purchase a replacement sunroof assembly.

Really baffled by the seizure of one of the sliders - full report in my latest 'What have you done your RR today'!
 
I'm even getting into a bit of a tiz with my forums now - must be time to go and break something on my Jesp - oh I did that just before Christmas!
 
Odyssey,

Forgot to mention that I did look on Fleabay and there was only one P38 roof for sale, currently, priced around £88 I believe.

There were far more available for the later L322 models - at half the price!

I used to like some of the prestigious Rovers - they had the lines of a Jag but I never got round to driving one.

I have owned several Jaguars, however, none have required anywhere as much attention as my P38.

Once I have sorted my roof I will post my procedure!
 
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