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Comes in the top of the door down the post into the carpet just above where all your wires run under to the becm drivers side
P38A Water Leak!!!
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Well just been out to the carr in after all the rain we had though the night and this morning and touch wood not a drop of water inside,so that's a good start none even down by the bonnet catch. Happy me, so by the looks of things putting that small seal around the sunroof has either stopped it,plus the extra sealer around the window edge under the trims hopefully has helped.
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Well after all the rain we had though Wednesday night went out to the car this morning and completely dry,so what ever I did has worked, Thanks for All your help, more to come . LOL.
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Good result mate
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Its allways good to wake up dry in the morning
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The windscreen on mine is water tight..
So it is either sunroof or sealant related.
working through the list LOL
So it is either sunroof or sealant related.
working through the list LOL
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not had the opportunity to spend much time on mine yet, but cant see its the screen for me if the headliner is wet, hopefully thats one thing ruled out already
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Try your sunroof first, as I said all I used was a very thin draft excluder stick on about 3mm thick that seamed to do the trick first, the window had extra put around as a precaution. Did not fancy paying out £82 for a new sunroof seal at the moment and then having the faf of putting it on,as by the looks of things to do that you may have to take out the headling, so you can get right around it.
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That’s the stuff. Good for scuttles too. Get a quality one, can add a small bead of silicone around the edge also if you want to double up.
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Draught excluder to make the sunroof seal thicker??
I thought it leaked by design?
I thought it leaked by design?
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You must be thinking of oil
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If the sunroof is leaking oil then you have big problems
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That's what I used as I had some left over from fitting a new skylight in my motorhome, as I said I just did along the front and about 3/4 of the way up the sides. Cleaned the whole area with methylated spirits first.
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roight!
The problem has finally been sussed..
going through the common problems
The windscreen seal is good, I had no reason to believe there was anything wrong with it..
Sunroof drains are clear
The seam sealant on the roof was all intact
So it left my old friend the sunroof frame/glass itself..
The sunroof seal itself is wrapped around the glass frame which in turn is sealed to the glass with a mastic, the steel that makes up the frame is very poorly protected and by design water will find its way under the seal and just sit on the frame between the glass and after years of moisture the frame rusts and swells which breaks the seal between the frame and the glass, the subsequent issue is water finding its way under the seal and on to the inside of the glass/frame which in turn will wick down the glass and on to the headliner..
The prime suspect!
Pictures!
The frame around the rear of the glass wasn't remotely attached to the glass and even with light pressure from my wire brush it was flexing and bending, if I put my torch on the inside and the beam of light could be seen escaping through the break
You can see the seal design "just" and how water finds its way under.
All I had available was white silicone which isn't ideal however it'll work, the way to do it is to apply a thin but continuous bead around the frame making sure it makes its way under the glass slightly..
A small caveat is you must make sure the bead is thin, otherwise the seal will sit proud and the roof won't close!!
And done!
Apologies for the long post, but nothing annoys me more than a thread that ends without a solution!
Symptoms were "to compare"
1) Condensation on the inside of the sunroof glass that would sometimes drip on to the centre console,
2) Both front corners of the headliner wet.
3)
The sunroof seal itself isn't really a seal, its main job is to slow down the water to allow the drains to carry it away without being overwhelmed, its also a draft/wind noise reducer..
H
The problem has finally been sussed..
going through the common problems
The windscreen seal is good, I had no reason to believe there was anything wrong with it..
Sunroof drains are clear
The seam sealant on the roof was all intact
So it left my old friend the sunroof frame/glass itself..
The sunroof seal itself is wrapped around the glass frame which in turn is sealed to the glass with a mastic, the steel that makes up the frame is very poorly protected and by design water will find its way under the seal and just sit on the frame between the glass and after years of moisture the frame rusts and swells which breaks the seal between the frame and the glass, the subsequent issue is water finding its way under the seal and on to the inside of the glass/frame which in turn will wick down the glass and on to the headliner..
The prime suspect!
Pictures!
The frame around the rear of the glass wasn't remotely attached to the glass and even with light pressure from my wire brush it was flexing and bending, if I put my torch on the inside and the beam of light could be seen escaping through the break
You can see the seal design "just" and how water finds its way under.
All I had available was white silicone which isn't ideal however it'll work, the way to do it is to apply a thin but continuous bead around the frame making sure it makes its way under the glass slightly..
A small caveat is you must make sure the bead is thin, otherwise the seal will sit proud and the roof won't close!!
And done!
Apologies for the long post, but nothing annoys me more than a thread that ends without a solution!
Symptoms were "to compare"
1) Condensation on the inside of the sunroof glass that would sometimes drip on to the centre console,
2) Both front corners of the headliner wet.
3)
The sunroof seal itself isn't really a seal, its main job is to slow down the water to allow the drains to carry it away without being overwhelmed, its also a draft/wind noise reducer..
H
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this could be the problem i'm having.... hmmm.... cheers!roight!
The problem has finally been sussed..
going through the common problems
The windscreen seal is good, I had no reason to believe there was anything wrong with it..
Sunroof drains are clear
The seam sealant on the roof was all intact
So it left my old friend the sunroof frame/glass itself..
The sunroof seal itself is wrapped around the glass frame which in turn is sealed to the glass with a mastic, the steel that makes up the frame is very poorly protected and by design water will find its way under the seal and just sit on the frame between the glass and after years of moisture the frame rusts and swells which breaks the seal between the frame and the glass, the subsequent issue is water finding its way under the seal and on to the inside of the glass/frame which in turn will wick down the glass and on to the headliner..
The prime suspect!
Pictures!
The frame around the rear of the glass wasn't remotely attached to the glass and even with light pressure from my wire brush it was flexing and bending, if I put my torch on the inside and the beam of light could be seen escaping through the break
You can see the seal design "just" and how water finds its way under.
All I had available was white silicone which isn't ideal however it'll work, the way to do it is to apply a thin but continuous bead around the frame making sure it makes its way under the glass slightly..
A small caveat is you must make sure the bead is thin, otherwise the seal will sit proud and the roof won't close!!
And done!
Apologies for the long post, but nothing annoys me more than a thread that ends without a solution!
Symptoms were "to compare"
1) Condensation on the inside of the sunroof glass that would sometimes drip on to the centre console,
2) Both front corners of the headliner wet.
3)
The sunroof seal itself isn't really a seal, its main job is to slow down the water to allow the drains to carry it away without being overwhelmed, its also a draft/wind noise reducer..
H
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definitely worth a look
