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On 10 Feb 2005 06:58:46 -0800, "Corey Shuman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>It really is basically a disco, the main difference being that you can
>pick up a D1 for under 10k and you cant touch a decent Defender for
>under 25k.

You can believe that if you want, but I have driven a number of Discos as well
as owning a Defender and can assure you that the Defender is not "basically a
disco".
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It's not about the specs, it's about knowing what the hell you're talking
about.


"Kdogg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks fellas.
>
> It's not that I don't completely understand 4WD, part-time 4WD, or my
> Jeep. I just want more than 2 wheels with power if I ever get stuck.
> I just noticed it's hard to find true specs on drivetrains. I think my
> current car(Mitsu Lancer EVO) can do better than a non-Rubicon
> Wrangler. My EVO has limited slip on center and rear diffs with an
> open front. Oh well.
>
> About comparing Hummers, Rubicon, and Land Rovers, I thought the
> original Hummer have locking differentials (center, rear, and front).
>>From what I've read, they're the ultimate (stock) off road machines.
> So is the Rubicon. I thought the Land Rover Discos and Range Rovers
> achieve this via fancy hydraulic/electronic tranny gadgetry. I read
> the discontinued Land Rover Defender was a true offroad machine.
>
> Thanks for the comments, though.
>


 
Sounds like you don't want to believe that your Defender isn't as special as
you wish.


"Charlie Choc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 10 Feb 2005 06:58:46 -0800, "Corey Shuman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>It really is basically a disco, the main difference being that you can
>>pick up a D1 for under 10k and you cant touch a decent Defender for
>>under 25k.
>
> You can believe that if you want, but I have driven a number of Discos as
> well
> as owning a Defender and can assure you that the Defender is not
> "basically a
> disco".
> --
> Charlie...
> http://www.chocphoto.com/ - photo galleries
> http://www.chocphoto.com/roff


 
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:51:27 GMT, "Marc Sebens" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Sounds like you don't want to believe that your Defender isn't as special as
>you wish.
>
No, just that they aren't "basically" the same vehicle. For starters, look at
the specifications of the two (hint: the D90's wheelbase is 10" shorter than
the D1 and 20" shorter overall, it's gas tank is 5 gal smaller, etc.)
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com/ - photo galleries
http://www.chocphoto.com/roff
 

Marc Sebens wrote:
> It's not about the specs, it's about knowing what the hell you're
talking
> about.
>

Funny, internet forum tough guy! Maybe I would know what I'm talking
about if companies revealed complete specs? My point is most 4x4 new
vehicles don't disclose exactly what type of differentials it has.

 
If you read the owner's manual, which is usually available online as well,
it discloses exactly that information.

"Kdogg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Marc Sebens wrote:
>> It's not about the specs, it's about knowing what the hell you're
> talking
>> about.
>>
>
> Funny, internet forum tough guy! Maybe I would know what I'm talking
> about if companies revealed complete specs? My point is most 4x4 new
> vehicles don't disclose exactly what type of differentials it has.
>


 


Kdogg wrote:
> My point is most 4x4 new
> vehicles don't disclose exactly what type of differentials it has.

Almost always just open diffs at the axles. If it is LSD they will
mention it,
And lockers....after market and build it in yourself. Except from some
center diffs.
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
 
I disagree wholehartedly, however, I dont think either one of us will
digress.
I will say that I have seen discos go places that stock D90s cant.
usually due to the low center of gravity. The Disco in my opinion, took
the base functionality of the D90, and improved it into a daily
drivable vehicle with nice road manners.
I still have angst with Defenders costing so much over here when across
the pond you can get them for a song. For those out of the know, the
D90 is the "F150 " of the UK, its a cheap farm type truck. We are just
silly enough to pay alot for them over here so I guess its our own
fault.

 
On 11 Feb 2005 12:25:24 -0800, "Corey Shuman" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I still have angst with Defenders costing so much over here when across
>the pond you can get them for a song. For those out of the know, the
>D90 is the "F150 " of the UK, its a cheap farm type truck.


Not when bought new - they are vastly overpriced for what you get, and
compared to the (more mannerly) competition.

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I think you need to look at the year of the defender for the gas tank.
the 95 and 97 d90s come in at 92.9 inches. as to 100.0 for the disco.
Thast a whopping 7 inches, most of which is attributed to the way the
axles sit, the angles. Lift up a disco, even three inches and it tweaks
your axles to a set up that is similar to the d90, I would be willing
to be that the wheelbase changes as well. As to legnth, well there are
a few items to look at. The Disco has a lot of plastic and such, the
bumpers sit out a bit etc.. But if you mod your D1 a little, (bumpers
mostly) you can drop almost 8 inches. However its not the overall
legnth that matters, its the approach, crossover and decent angle.
Which with lifted disco is better than the defender.
Dont get me wrong, Im not saying I dont like the d90s, they are really
fun to look at, but as an offroad vehicle I would take a disco1 any day
over a d90.

 
On 11 Feb 2005 13:01:38 -0800, "Corey Shuman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I think you need to look at the year of the defender for the gas tank.

All the Defender 90's imported into the US have 15.6 gal tanks. The Disco 1 is
23gal.

>the 95 and 97 d90s come in at 92.9 inches. as to 100.0 for the disco.
>Thast a whopping 7 inches, most of which is attributed to the way the
>axles sit, the angles. Lift up a disco, even three inches and it tweaks
>your axles to a set up that is similar to the d90, I would be willing
>to be that the wheelbase changes as well. As to legnth, well there are
>a few items to look at. The Disco has a lot of plastic and such, the
>bumpers sit out a bit etc.. But if you mod your D1 a little, (bumpers
>mostly) you can drop almost 8 inches. However its not the overall
>legnth that matters, its the approach, crossover and decent angle.
>Which with lifted disco is better than the defender.

Ah, so you are saying you *can* make a Disco as good off road as a stock D90.
You can do the same thing with a VW.

>Dont get me wrong, Im not saying I dont like the d90s, they are really
>fun to look at, but as an offroad vehicle I would take a disco1 any day
>over a d90.

OK. I'm not trying to sell you either.
--
Charlie...
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http://www.chocphoto.com/roff
 
in article [email protected], Kdogg at
[email protected] wrote on 2/8/05 12:18 PM:


> I use to own a 2000 Jeep Wrangler (4 cyl. base model). I thought it
> was the ultimate 4WD system. Right after I bought it, I used the 4WD
> High, and I noticed the dash indicator stating only 'Part-Time 4WD'. I
> was ticked off. Here I've always wanted a Jeep to find out it sells
> part-time 4wd drivetrains. I got stuck in a ditch once. Opposite
> corners were spinning and the remaining 2 wheels just sat there.

Actually, that had nothing to do with the "part time" thing... Part-time 4wd
is actually a good thing if ultimate 4wd capability is the issue, because it
means your front and back axles are directly coupled, in this case with a
chain, reather than having a viscous coupler like full-time 4wd uses.

What you are describing is a locking differential. The Rubicon has this,
and it was an option on Toyota Land Cruisers in the mid-90's. This makes it
so that both wheels reiceve power equally and is very tractor-like. Wacky
on pavement and generally a poor choice unless you are a hard-core
offroader.

However, what you are probably REALLY wanting is a limited-slip differential
or two. I had my Wrangler regeared to 4.10 and in the process had them put
in heavy-duty, gear driven limited slips front and rear. This applies a
percentage of the power to the wheel with all the traction. Not as burly as
a locked diffy but way less obnoxious. And way better than open diff's.

-jeff

>
> I only ask this because I read a lot "specs" on 4wd vehicles and they
> sort of hide if they really can split the power. I assuming the Jeep
> Rubicon can do what I want as well as Hummer and some Land Rovers.
>
> What is the feature called that I'm looking for? Locking
> differentials? What vehicles have 4wd drivetrain like a "rock
> crawler"?
>
> P.S. I had a 2door Geo Tracker back in high school. That thing never
> got stuck.
>

 
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