VCU Torque test results

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Testing is accomplished by keeping the housing stationery and having the
hub rotate with a constant speed of 75 rpm. Temperature is being measured
by means of a thermo coupling on the outside of the housing. Torque
transfer in Nm vs. temperature (C) at a speed difference of 75 rpm is the
key measurement. The torque level slowly *drops*! as the temperature goes
from 10 degrees C to 120 degrees centegrade (from 250Nm to 140Nm) and then
shoots up to an infinite torque sharply at a point between a temperature of
120 and 135 degrees C.

Viscous Coupling Refurb graphs
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I'm a bit confuddled with that. Is they effectively saying the resistance across the vcu drops as temp rises from 10 to 120 degrees C, then resistance is suddenly greater above this temp? Hence a vcu as 50 degrees would have less resistance across it than if it were 20 degrees C? :confused:
 
yes

I think thats the same graph as in my vcu fred.
Very interesting is that. I get different measurements from the one wheel up test depending on vcu temp. Will check it again some time at ambient and warmer temps after a specific drive which I know will warm it up. Then compare after it cools again.
 
Updated August 2016

Ere's the results of testing my Freelanders VCU using the One Wheel Up Test.

A quick refresher of what we're trying to achieve ere:

Q. What vehicles do the test results apply to?
A. Freelander 1. Other vehicles fitted with VCU's can perform the same test, but their results will differ due to rear diff gearing and their vehicles VCU design characteristics.

Q. Why are we doing this test?
A. To collate results from different VCU's in order to see if there’s a common result trend.

Q. What would we like to get out of the results?
A. Hopefully a common trend which members could compare their test results too, in order to spot premature failure of VCU's before they fek up their Freelanders transmission (possible failure of IRD and/or rear diff).

Q. What does the test do?
A. It applies a known steady pressure (force) to the VCU (via the rear diff) while we time how long it takes for the bar to turn 45 degrees to the horizontal. This will give us a value in seconds we can use to compare different VCU's, whilst performing the same test.

Q. How do you do the test?
A. Chock front wheels. Release handbrake. Doesn't matter if it's a manual or automatic gearbox, or what position the gearbox is in. Jack up one rear wheel. Remove plastic centre wheel cap. Fit a 1.2m bar (made up of ratchet and wood) with a 32mm socket on the drive shaft nut. Raise bar and add a known weight (8kg is preferred). Allow the bar to start turning before the 45 degrees start point, in order to take out the slack in the transmission. Time the bar while it turns 45 degrees to the horizontal. Use masking tape markers to help you with the 45 degrees and horizontal stop/start positions.

Q. What's your bar made of?
A. 32mm socket, small metal extension bar, ratchet to attach the length of wood to the drive shaft nut and length of wood with a nail in the end. Use several tie wraps to secure the wood to the ratchet. Measure a distance of 1.2m from the pivot point (extension bar) to the end of the wood. Cut the wood at the 1.2m point and put a nail in the end to use as a hook. Apply known weights to the end of the wooden bar (I used tie wraps hooked over the nail).

Q. Why have you repeated the test with different weights?
A. This gives an overall view of the performance of the VCU with different weights applied. It also allows us to compare other peeps results if they've used a different weight. 8kg is still the preferred weight to use as this applies pressure to the vcu in the linear result region. 1kg = 1 litre of water. if

Q. Can I do the same test too?
A. Yes. If we all carry out the same test and pool our results we will gain a better feeling of the average time to perform the test, as a comparison against others.

Q. Can you perform a similar test on a VCU on a bench?
A. Yes. I have done this already and will put up the results soon after editing the video. I will edit this post and add the results at a later date. I will also add another post to this thread to confirm when this has been done.

Q. If my One Wheel Up Test time is high and I want to remove my VCU for peace of mind (until I get a replacement, or I may just leave it off for a while), how would I do this myself?
A. Follow the link below. It's easier to remove the VCU and both prop shafts at the same time when doing it at home. If you do this you will need to advise your insurance company as it's considered a modification. The link provides the method of removal, changing the support bearings and refitting.
https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/freelander-1-vcu-bearing-replacement-how-to-guide.156068/

Q. What should I do if my test result is higher than yours?
A. Ideally someone performing the test would do the same test a few times to make sure they get a similar result each time. If the result is high then I would do the following:
  • chock the front wheels and release the handbrake
  • lift both rear wheels off the ground
  • turn the rear wheel you were using for the One Wheel Up Test to check it turns freely.
Don't be surprised when turning the rear wheel when you see the wheel on the other side turning in the opposite direction. This is because the rear prop to rear diff connection isn't turning. This is correct, as you're turning the opposite wheel via the rear diff internal gears. When the rear diff is being used in normal on road operation the rear prop to rear diff connection is turning, which allows both rear wheels to turn in the same direction. The internal rear diff gears then allow both rear wheels to travel at differing speeds to allow for cornering.

Q. Referring to the last question, I would prefer to lift both wheels on the same side, if I need to check the handbrake has released, to check the wheel being tested turns freely, as I feel safer.
A. Yes you can do this if it makes you feel safer. This will only test the handbrake is released on the lifted rear wheel. This is all you need to know for the test. The method would be:
  • chock both front and rear wheels which will remain on the ground, on the same side of the Freelander
  • release the handbrake and put the auto gearbox in neutral (neutral for manuals too)
  • lift both wheels on the other side and turn the rear wheel. The front wheel will then turn in the same direction (assuming the props/vcu are fitted and the rear diff/ird are working correctly). It takes a little bit more effort than turning both rears, but easily possible by hand.


Test results:

My VCU's temperature measured 23 degrees before and after the testing. VCU temperature is an important factor which will produce different results, for the same VCU. My Freelander hadn't been driven over night to allow the VCU to cool to an ambient temperature. At the time of testing my VCU was 11.5 years old. It's an original Land Rover VCU supplied when my Freelander was manufactured in 2001. It's stamped GKN. Current mileage at the time of testing was 32,000 miles. My Freelander is a 2001 Freelander 1 v6.

Weight in kg / Time in seconds

3.0 kg . . . . . . . 80.0 seconds
4.1 kg . . . . . . . 49.5 seconds
5.0 kg . . . . . . . 35.5 seconds
6.2 kg . . . . . . . 25.0 seconds
7.1 kg . . . . . . . 20.0 seconds
8.0 kg . . . . . . . 16.0 seconds
8.9 kg . . . . . . . 14.0 seconds
10.0 kg . . . . . . 12.0 seconds
11.0 kg . . . . . . 10.0 seconds
12.4 kg . . . . . . 8.0 seconds
13.8 kg . . . . . . 7.0 seconds

Ere's a video I made during testing:

One Wheel Up Test Results - Viscous Coupling Unit VCU Torque Test - Freelander 1

Ere's a graph of my results. Blue X is my measured results. Green line shows an estimated curve for my VCU.

The graph shows a curve (non linear) and straight line (linear) sections. OWUT results should be done in the linear section for more precise, reliable results. You will get more reliable results with 8kg on a 1.2meter bar, when compared to 5kg at 1.2meter bar.

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OneWheelUpTestResultGraph 3paXgcc

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Bench test figures in this post are approx to about the nearest second. Figures are the same when my vcu was brand new and after a few thousand miles. I will put a full list up when i get round to editing the video.

The test is all about force applied
force in Nm applied = length of bar x 9.8 x weight on bar

owut with 5kg on a 1.2m bar is 35.5 seconds
bench test on vcu with 5kg on a 0.38m bar is approx 41 seconds

owut with 8kg on a 1.2m bar is 16 seconds
bench test on vcu with 8kg on a 0.38m bar is approx 20 seconds
 
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Just had my 2001 Freelander TD4 MOT tested the other day and passed with flying colours in NI here and its a fairly tight test. I noticed when they had all four wheels of the ground and turned the front NS wheel by hand that the two rears also turned Idid not notice the front os turning though?
 
Just had my 2001 Freelander TD4 MOT tested the other day and passed with flying colours in NI here and its a fairly tight test. I noticed when they had all four wheels of the ground and turned the front NS wheel by hand that the two rears also turned Idid not notice the front os turning though?

I'd imagine it's normal!


DD
 
Great guide Hippo. Just tried mine - bit scary with all that weight on a few tye raps and close to the paint work!
1.2 m bar and did a couple of timings. Not driven - left overnight and it's a cool morning, about 12 degrees. My service history before I got it is very poor - but it looks like it's had a new VCU and rear diff at some point. When bought done 90K now done 104k. 53 plate.
With 9.3Kg took 12.3 seconds and 5.5Kg took 31 seconds.
So that's very similar to Hippo's tests.
Great info on hear as always and very useful.
I'ts really strange how it uses temperature to trigger the fluid. Is temperature a by-product of whats happening and the fluid is just shear thickening at a very specific shear rate
 
Well done chris2000 for taking the time to perform the test and reply with your results. And it’s only yer 4th post too. :)

Yes there is a bit of a risk of the bar hitting the paintwork. Whenever mine felled oft it moved slightly away from the car and smashed against the floor. If peeps worry about this happening then a sheet of cardboard between the bodywork and bar will provide a safety barrier.

The sheering effect is dependent on the difference in rotational speed of the prop shafts either side of the vcu, which controls the rotational speed of the plates inside the vcu. The sheering effect creates the heat, which changes the properties of the viscous fluid. This fred has a fuller explanation; http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f38/definitive-freelander-vcu-testing-thread-99163.html

Hence why the Turnip Test measures temperature as an indication of what’s going on inside the vcu. I is still monitoring vcu temp after making some changes to my Freelanders set-up and will post results when testing is complete.

Ere’s a cookie for yer valued efforts. :)
 
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Mmmm looks tasty, I'm hungry now.
Thanks - more explanation on your link - but still a strange behavior. I work for a company that make viscosity meters. We use Silicon and Poly oils + others for testing and we measure many fluids. Not seen that effect before. Might ask the experts at work what it could be.
Only 4 posts but I've been on here for a while modifying from the great info on here.
 
Removed my VCU from our FL 2003 TD4 (140K) for the summer. Now winter is approaching just tested it using the method from Bell Eng. Using a 750mm bar and about 7Kg load. Time taken to sweep 90 degrees was about 10 seconds. Not sure of the history but it cant be the original VCU.

Cheers
 
My results are very similar to Hippo and Chris2000...

Original VCU on 2005 TD4 with 80000 miles. Ambient temp 24 degrees. 1.2m aluminium bar.

10kg - 12sec
8kg - 16sec
6kg - 30sec

We need some results from a bad vcu. :eek:
 
I have a buggered VCU taken off the 'dead' Freelander. Whats the bench test version for this?
Simular to the One Wheel Up Test... With the vcu fitted in the props, clamp one prop to keep it still. Put a long rod through the UJ on the other prop with a weight on the end. I used a long screw driver aabout 40cm long. Time how long it takes to turn 45 degrees to the horizontal, or let it continue a further 45 degrees if you like. Or clamp one end of vcu in a vice and somehow attach a rod and weight to the other end.
 
I did one wheel up VCU test today,
2003 5 door Td4 Manual 97,000 miles,
Just fitted newly recoditioned Vcu from Bell Engineering, less than 50 miles ago,
Not sure how to take the temprature but was quite cold as outside temp was about 6 degrees C and I had left it standing all night long, also frosty last night,

I used 1 and 2 kg weights from my sons weight lifting set

The results are below but they seem quite quick compared to others

3kg =31.9 sec
4kg =18.2 sec
5kg=11.1 sec
6kg= 7.0 sec
7kg= 5.1 sec
8kg= 3.6 sec
9kg= 2.8sec
10kg=2.4sec
the last couple were a bit hard to time as were quite quick so may be a point out either way
 

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mrblockpaving,

Well done. We need more peeps to provide results.

Ere’s a cookie for yer valued efforts. :)
 
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How about one fat guy standing on a tire iron 90 deg, no wheel movement 20 seconds? I think I am going to pull it tomorrow.
 
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