Turning in Circles

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Sammy2d2

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I am the happy new owner of a Defender 110, but somewhat surprised by the amazingly wide turning circle....
Is there a way to reduce it ? I have read about wheel spacers, and possibly putting on smaller tyres. Does that work ? Are there other changes that could be, or would need to be made ? And how much difference do spacers make to the turning circle ?
 
basically no. only way to cut your turning circle is to cut your chassis ;) ie. buy a 90.

dont get smaller wheels. your axles will ground out easier offroad (ask specialbikejames). spacers in theory may work, but id imagine the difference is negligable.

you could always buy one of them steering boxes which reduces the lock to lock, effectively making you turn the wheel quicker, thus the wheels will be at full lock alot quicker than previous... unless your dry steering, in which case it wont matter.

ditch the 110 and buy a 90!

G
 
Simple physics really, longer the wheelbase, wider the turning circle, hence why landys take 5 point turns to turn past a bush.
 
not strictly speaking true - it is a function both of wheelbase and of angle of attack of steering wheels. if the wheelbase was only 30 inches but the angle of the front wheels to the "line" of the vehicle was only 2 degrees - the turning circle would be huge. I think the intention here is to be able to increase the angle of the steered wheels, however this does increase the chances of the wheels rubbing on other components, such as bodywork and also increases the "scrub" effect with the rear wheels trying to drive forwards and the front wheels at full lock.
 
Yes, indeed but in relation to landys...

90 and 110 have essentialy all the same steering components/angle, so longer the wheelbase wider the circle.
 
if that is the case, the diff in turning circle should be ((wheelbase1-wheelbase2)*2) = 40".

is that rite - or is my maths up the shoot?
in which case - being able to alter the steering angle of attack by (say) 5 degrees would be very significant.
 
maybe, but your gonna be rubbing the radius arms.

stop talking physics/maths bollox. its common sense. of course 5degrees and and a shorter wheelbase will =a **** turning circle.

i dont think there is much you can do... alter your axles to 4wheel steering?

even if you had an MPV the circle wouldnt be much less. 9 seats=big circle. simple as that.

G
 
Smaller wheels do help a little

Just changed my 235/85 R16's for some Khumo 33/12.5 inch monsters and I am now struggling to get the 110 down my drive (round a corner).

Spacers help but they are expensive and most insurance companies dont like them very much.

Just live with it.
 
Thanks all. It currently has Grabber 235 tyres, but dont know if that is particularly big or small ?
Is it an easy deal to adjust the steering lock stops ? and, in summary, are you saying that there would be some difference by adding spacers, but it wont be much ?
 
I wud suggest getting the tracking etc checked - so that it is at its optimum (dont cost too much too) and then get the stop locks adjusted so yu get as much steering angle as poss, without fouling - but to be honest - dont think it will make much difference.
 
You could check to see if you have any room for maneuver (pardon the pun) on your steering stops there may be a little adjustment that could be made to gain you a little more.
 
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