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Adrian came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
>>> What on earth did people do before SUVs?

LOL, I missed this bit. We used tractors, and still do for the big jobs.

>> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)
>
> <grin> - But how many RAV or Cayenne or X5 or Disco owners would put up
> with a leaf-sprung 2.25 109"?

Who cares? And mine was an 88" ... but we have a Disco now. Almost as good
off-road but infinitely smoother and better for all-round use .. ;)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
Paul - xxx ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

>>>> What on earth did people do before SUVs?

> LOL, I missed this bit. We used tractors, and still do for the big
> jobs.

I thought it was the bit you replied to with...

>>> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)

>> <grin> - But how many RAV or Cayenne or X5 or Disco owners would put
>> up with a leaf-sprung 2.25 109"?

> Who cares?

So, they don't *need* 'em, do they? <hides>

> And mine was an 88" ... but we have a Disco now. Almost
> as good off-road but infinitely smoother and better for all-round use
> .. ;)

Pah. Woss wrong with an old sack as a seat cover, anyway?
 
Adrian came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
>>>>> What on earth did people do before SUVs?
>
>> LOL, I missed this bit. We used tractors, and still do for the big
>> jobs.
>
> I thought it was the bit you replied to with...

>>> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)

Technically yes, but I'd only parsed the first sentence .. "But how many SUV
owners ever do the second two of those? I'd suggest very very few. " I have
no clue, other than brain fart, why I missed the last bit .. ;)

> Pah. Woss wrong with an old sack as a seat cover, anyway?

That would depend upon the amount of clothing worn and distance to be
travelled ... ;)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
nevillef came up with the following;:
> Slap down the tree hugging, yohgurt knitters by placing your vote here:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/vine/

Where can one see the result of the poll? I couldn't find it.

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
 
Paul - xxx wrote:

> Where can one see the result of the poll? I couldn't find it.

I don't know if it's still there somewhere or not, but the result was
about 2/3 to 1/3 against a ban.
--
Steve Loft
 
On 2005-11-25, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

><grin> - But how many RAV or Cayenne or X5 or Disco owners would put up
> with a leaf-sprung 2.25 109"?

Out in Dorset right now, I reckon about any of them! Those big wide
slippy road tyres won't be much cop in the snow, up to 8 inches in
some places.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
Paul - xxx wrote:
> Adrian came up with the following;:
>> Paul S. Brown ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
>> like they were saying :
>
>>> In my case it's because it gives me a car that will eat motorway
>>> miles, carry me round a town, double as a van and also allow me to
>>> track across muddy fields and flooded roads which I do on a not to
>>> irregular basis. It saves me having to have three vehicles.
>>
>> But how many SUV owners ever do the second two of those? I'd suggest very
>> very few. What on earth did people do before SUVs?
>
> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)
>
<fx: waves>

Me too, and I don't drive a Landy, I drive one of the much derided
"SUVs" that the protestors claim never go off road. It also tends to
come in handy while I'm working at some of the more remote corners of
the motorway network and we get a day like today.

 
On 2005-11-25, Adrian <[email protected]> wrote:

> http://www.langdalequest.co.uk/xtreme_gallery3.html#

<shots of a Porsche Cayenne or whatever it is being pulled out of a hole>

Indeed, even BF Goodrich TrakEdge's weren't much cop in mud, I got
stuck on flat ground in mud a couple of inches deep once, all four
wheels spinning!

Mind you I've seen an early Unimog on bar-grips, on flat ground, in
mud just 2 inches deep, with all three diffs locked, slowly rotating
all four tyres and getting precisely nowhere. Seemed to be defying
the laws of physics, after about 30 seconds of sitting there going
nowhere it gradually started inching forward, glad of that because the
only other vehicle around was my 110 on the aforementioned Trak Edges!

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Steve Firth came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:
>> Adrian came up with the following;:
>>> Paul S. Brown ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
>>> like they were saying :
>>
>>>> In my case it's because it gives me a car that will eat motorway
>>>> miles, carry me round a town, double as a van and also allow me to
>>>> track across muddy fields and flooded roads which I do on a not to
>>>> irregular basis. It saves me having to have three vehicles.
>>>
>>> But how many SUV owners ever do the second two of those? I'd suggest
>>> very very few. What on earth did people do before SUVs?
>>
>> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)
>>
> <fx: waves>
>
> Me too, and I don't drive a Landy, I drive one of the much derided
> "SUVs" that the protestors claim never go off road. It also tends to
> come in handy while I'm working at some of the more remote corners of
> the motorway network and we get a day like today.

I guess I should have said 4x4 owners. My mate with a Fiat Panda 4x4 is
just as much a 4x4 user/owner as my other mate with a 101 Ambulance ... ;)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
Steve Loft came up with the following;:
> Paul - xxx wrote:
>
>> Where can one see the result of the poll? I couldn't find it.
>
> I don't know if it's still there somewhere or not, but the result was
> about 2/3 to 1/3 against a ban.

That's what it was, roughly (64 to 36%) when I voted, but I'd like to have
seen the result 'announced', sort of ... ;)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

 
In message <[email protected]>, Steve Firth
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes
>Paul - xxx wrote:
>> Adrian came up with the following;:
>>> Paul S. Brown ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much
>>> like they were saying :
>>
>>>> In my case it's because it gives me a car that will eat motorway
>>>> miles, carry me round a town, double as a van and also allow me to
>>>> track across muddy fields and flooded roads which I do on a not to
>>>> irregular basis. It saves me having to have three vehicles.
>>>
>>> But how many SUV owners ever do the second two of those? I'd suggest very
>>> very few. What on earth did people do before SUVs?
>> I do, and so do many of the Landrover owners I know. ;)
>>
><fx: waves>
>
>Me too, and I don't drive a Landy, I drive one of the much derided
>"SUVs" that the protestors claim never go off road. It also tends to
>come in handy while I'm working at some of the more remote corners of
>the motorway network and we get a day like today.
>
I and about a dozen other like minded members of the 4x4 section of
Staffordshire Search & Rescue Team go out in freezing weather to rescue
these people when they get stranded. Nobody has ever yet refused
assistance from us (All sorts of models). We have also assisted with
flood evacuations and again no-one has refused our help on environmental
grounds.

I wonder how many people on the A30 the other night refused help from
the 4x4s that turned out?

I really don't understand why the tree huggers get so hot under the
collar about 4x4s. Road footprint? A Ford Mondeo is longer than a Land
Rover 110. Height? What difference does that make? Fuel consumption -
what about large engined BMW, Jags Mercs etc. Injury to pedestrians -
sorry but the worst single factor in car design as far as injury is
concerned is the standard bumper height on all cars, set by that beacon
of car safety (not) the American Auto Industry in the late 50's. It
should be raised a couple of inches - to just about the standard height
of a Land rover bumper.
Transmission system - what's that got to do with anything? Many 4x4s
actually operate in 2 wheel drive on road. One of the first permanent 4
wheel drives was the Jenson Interceptor a luxury car. Do they object to
the 4x4 Fiat Panda?


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hugh
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:04:10 +0000, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>I really don't understand why the tree huggers get so hot under the
>collar about 4x4s.

Ignorance, envy, (misguided) class-hatred, lack of meat in their diet,
cycling-induced brain damage.... there are many reasons!
--

Paul Rooney
 
On 2005-11-26, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> One of the first permanent 4 wheel drives was the Jenson Interceptor
> a luxury car.

The Interceptor was 2 wheel drive, you're thinking of the FF, which
looked the same as the Interceptor but had a different floor plan, was
a bit longer, had different wheel arches, had seats moved etc, all to
accomodate the 4x4 setup. While it could be regarded as a heavily
modified Interceptor, it was released as the FF.

--
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hugh wrote:

> Do they object to the 4x4 Fiat Panda?

Apparently they explicitly exclude it from their campaign.
--
Steve Loft
 
Steve Loft <[email protected]> wrote in news:ERjif.48496$bL7.5982
@fe06.news.easynews.com:

>> Do they object to the 4x4 Fiat Panda?
>
> Apparently they explicitly exclude it from their campaign.

Yep, they state, "We aren't concerned about four-wheel drive in itself,
and we certainly aren't after the Fiat Panda."

Now 4x4 means, "four wheeled vehicle with four driven wheels", so an
anti-4x4 campaign has to be against four-wheel drive by definition - or
it's not an anti-4x4 campaign. This means (almost unbelievably) that,
according to the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s, the anti-4x4 lobby is not
actually an anti-4x4 campaign.

The anti-4x4 campaign is ridiculous and has no logical foundation. They
can't even properly define what it is that they're against in terms of
the excuses they cite to claim that 4x4s are evil. They can only do so in
terms of physical appearance.

I'm convinced that they are really only against 4x4s because they don't
like the look of them! As far as I can tell, not only are they against
four-wheel drive vehicles they don't like the look of, but they are also
against two-wheel drive vehicles that in their opinion look similar to
the object of their hatred (like the Matra Rancho). FWIW, even Archbigot
Berry has to resort to physical appearance to make it clear what she
hates so much (look at the "Mission" page on her website, which has a
picture and text to the effect of, "this picture shows what we hate").

Don't fall for the anti-4x4 hype. It's not big - it's bigotry.

Will
 
In message <[email protected]>, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> writes
>On 2005-11-26, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
>
>> One of the first permanent 4 wheel drives was the Jenson Interceptor
>> a luxury car.
>
>The Interceptor was 2 wheel drive, you're thinking of the FF, which
>looked the same as the Interceptor but had a different floor plan, was
>a bit longer, had different wheel arches, had seats moved etc, all to
>accomodate the 4x4 setup. While it could be regarded as a heavily
>modified Interceptor, it was released as the FF.
>
You're right. It was the FF.
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