Towing

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redhand said:
nope you is wrong any one of any weight upto 3500kg can tow a trailer upto 750kg.

And there is a complicated formula for working out the exact weight of trailer you can tow It is possible to tow a braked trailer upto 1749kg on a newer type licence without taking the B+E test


Edit just been and grabbed this from the link in me font of all knowledge. (very usefull poast on exactly what ya can and can't drive/tow etc. definitions of MAM GTW etc etc..

ith effect from 1 January 1997 the second EC Directive on Driving Licences (91/439/EEC) came into effect, affecting new drivers passing their test after that date and HGV drivers who obtained their licence after 31 December 1991.

The net result is that new drivers will only be allowed to drive and tow the following combinations:

* Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes (category B) with a 750kg trailer (4.25 tonnes total MAM).
Example: If you have a full licence you can tow any trailer without brakes.
* Category B vehicles with larger trailers i.e. > 750kg, provided that the combined MAM does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and the gross MAM of the trailer does not exceed the un-laden weight of the towing vehicle. To be able to tow combinations outside this ruling requires the passing of an additional test.
Example: If your vehicle weighs 1200kg you can tow a braked trailer up to our equal to 1200kg, if your trailer and load exceeded 1200kg then you will need to take an additional test
* New HGV drivers and those who have passed their HGV tests since 1 January 1992 will be restricted to towing trailers up to 750kg until they pass an additional test.
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Oh I see, just looking on the DVLA site now;
MAM of vehicle and trailer mustn't exceed 4.25 tonnes, with max trailer weight of 750kg. A trailer over 750kg may be towed so long as the combination doesn't exceed 3.5 tonnes. Got it now, really tricky to get your head round that :doh:

So in theory, my 110 weighing roughly 2000kg, can legally tow a trailer weighing 1500kg?
 
Langers said:
Oh I see, just looking on the DVLA site now;
MAM of vehicle and trailer mustn't exceed 4.25 tonnes, with max trailer weight of 750kg. A trailer over 750kg may be towed so long as the combination doesn't exceed 3.5 tonnes. Got it now, really tricky to get your head round that :doh:

So in theory, my 110 weighing roughly 2000kg, can legally tow a trailer weighing 1500kg?
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Nope because the MAM of a 110 is 3500kg so no trailer over 750kg..

And it's the MAM of the towing vehicle and the trailer I've just been to pick a car trailer up for robin. it's mam is 3000kg it weighs 750kg. but you wouldn't be able to tow it beacause it's MAM is over 750kg.
 
redhand said:
Nope because the MAM of a 110 is 3500kg so no trailer over 750kg..

And it's the MAM of the towing vehicle and the trailer I've just been to pick a car trailer up for robin. it's mam is 3000kg it weighs 750kg. but you wouldn't be able to tow it beacause it's MAM is over 750kg.
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Bit of a head****, think I'm getting confused between MAM and kerbweight. **** it I'll just not tow anything :rolleyes::(
 
Langers said:
Greaaat. :rolleyes: So if I want to tow a car all I've got to do is have it crushed into a 3 foot square cube! :rolleyes::D

I do wanna take the B+E test though, would be useful. Bet it's expensive though :(
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No idea, mate of mine, doobie on here did it and I remember him saying it wasn't cheap. Plus I think you have to use your own trailer and it has to be a trailer that blocks the view out of your rear window. So a horsebox or summat.
 
It's simple.
Forget all about actual weights, it's only the theoretical maximum that matters.

If the two together are more than 3.5 tonnes, you can't tow it, except in the special case, where the towing vehicle is 3.5 when you can tow a little 750kg trailer.

If the two together are less than 3.5 tonnes, and the towing vehicle weighs more than the trailer, then you are ok.

Of course, probably easier to take the B+E, unless you are a lucky old fart who passed pre 97.

Post 97 licenses also have passenger restrictions, which can affect driving a CSW.

MW
 
God it's as clear as mud eh!!

I have a dull memory of it also having something to do with the number of axles on a trailer? Or have I made that one up completely?

If you passed your test after Jan '97, then you can tow without taking the trailer test, as long as you have someone with you who passed their test prior to that. It's how many people get around it, though I think that the trailer test is a good thing tbh, esp when towing livestock. It annoys me that I find myself helping so many incapable drivers at shows - well it only annoys me when they are fellow women, letting the side down, it's rather satisfying when it's bloke who can't manoeuvre his set up, esp if he has an OH who finds it amusing that I can :lol:
 
Give me any vehicle, any tractor with any trailer (inc 40footers with a dolly) and I'll manoeuvre it anywhere ya want. Simples.
 
Discobluebell said:
God it's as clear as mud eh!!

I have a dull memory of it also having something to do with the number of axles on a trailer? Or have I made that one up completely?
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yu musta dreamt that one..

If you passed your test after Jan '97, then you can tow without taking the trailer test, as long as you have someone with you who passed their test prior to that. It's how many people get around it, though
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True
 
redhand said:
yu musta dreamt that one..

True
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So I was legal, because the bloke I had with me passed his test in the 50/60's and had all sorts of bus licences. I know he handed his licence in recently, if he had handed it in before he was with me would I have been legal or illegal?
 
The_Big_P said:
Give me any vehicle, any tractor with any trailer (inc 40footers with a dolly) and I'll manoeuvre it anywhere ya want. Simples.
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Ok then,

I'd like you to reverse this road train (the doozel is fur me generator)

Road_Train_Australia.jpg


down my lane to the end where me house is;

death-road.jpg


Yeah? :D
 
Langers said:
Ok then,

I'd like you to reverse this road train (the doozel is fur me generator)

Road_Train_Australia.jpg


down my lane to the end where me house is;

death-road.jpg


Yeah? :D
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I don't even the think the blokes that drive them things for real can even reverse them!

That second pic, is that the Worlds Most Dangerous Road in Bolivia? The one Jeremy Clarkson drove? If so I've been down it (at speed) on a mountain bike. :eek:
 
The_Big_P said:
I don't even the think the blokes that drive them things for real can even reverse them!

That second pic, is that the Worlds Most Dangerous Road in Bolivia? The one Jeremy Clarkson drove? If so I've been down it (at speed) on a mountain bike. :eek:
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Yep 'Death Road'! On my top 10 places to visit list :)
 
The_Big_P said:
So I was legal, because the bloke I had with me passed his test in the 50/60's and had all sorts of bus licences. I know he handed his licence in recently, if he had handed it in before he was with me would I have been legal or illegal?
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if he didn't have a licence illegal as he is classed as been in charge. but as you probably weren't showing L plates you would still have been illegal even if he still had a licence.
 
Langers said:
Yep 'Death Road'! On my top 10 places to visit list :)
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I can highly recommend it mate.

There are lots of companies that do mountain biking down it but there is only one reputable company called Gravity Bolivia, they cost a bit more but they are professional. All the top bikes too. My only gripe was because the bikes had disc brakes, with my weight it wasn't long before I boiled the brakes and I ended up with none, so I ended up in front all the way down.:eek:

When yer get to the bottom they take yer off to an animal sanctuary that's full of monkeys and other amazing creatures. They are always looking for volunteers too.
 
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