Towing 4 tonne

Huw · Jan 27, 2004

"rnf2" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> I second this, my '88 Bighorn (Jap spec trooper) LWB with the 2.8TD
has done
> 3.5 tons quite comfortably with a non-braked trailer, stopping
within the
> LTSA's max allowable difference on it's 31.5x10.5 R15 tires. with a
braked
> trailer I've done 5 ton one time and regaurly done 2.5 ton loads for
long
> distances without any complaints.
>
> the laws here are a bit different than in the UK tho, pay attention
to the
> UK posters with their max legal load stats....
>
> rhys

UK readers should note that the '88 trooper is a very different beast
to more modern versions and has leaf springs at the back which are
generally better for heavy towing. However, to tow those kind of loads
without an effective trailer brake deserves sanction ;-)

Huw

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Graham Jones · Jan 27, 2004

In message <[email protected]>, Huw
<hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes

>That will be the 'gross train weight' or MAM 'maximum allowable mass'
>though, which includes the weight of the towing vehicle. 4 tonnes will
>still be the maximum allowable towed weight. Above this some type of
>'heavy goods vehicle' status is needed and AFAIK Land Rovers are not
>eligible.

Huw,

The MTPLM (maximum technical permitted laden mass) is 11000kgs.

3500kgs revenue weight
3500kgs trailer weight fitted with standard over run brakes
8500kgs trailer weight fitted with vacuum braking system restricted to
40mph
750kgs unbraked trailer weight.

It's a 1995 300 tdi Defender, ex Central Electricity Generating Board.
It was used for tugging there white elephant! a 25ft front bogie
exhibition trailer, when not used for that it was pulling pylon parts to
middle of nowhere?
--
Graham Jones

Huw · Jan 27, 2004

"Graham Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Huw
> <hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>
> >That will be the 'gross train weight' or MAM 'maximum allowable
mass'
> >though, which includes the weight of the towing vehicle. 4 tonnes
will
> >still be the maximum allowable towed weight. Above this some type
of
> >'heavy goods vehicle' status is needed and AFAIK Land Rovers are
not
> >eligible.
>
> Huw,
>
> The MTPLM (maximum technical permitted laden mass) is 11000kgs.
>
> 3500kgs revenue weight
> 3500kgs trailer weight fitted with standard over run brakes
> 8500kgs trailer weight fitted with vacuum braking system restricted
to
> 40mph
> 750kgs unbraked trailer weight.
>
> It's a 1995 300 tdi Defender, ex Central Electricity Generating
Board.
> It was used for tugging there white elephant! a 25ft front bogie
> exhibition trailer, when not used for that it was pulling pylon
parts to
> middle of nowhere?
> --
> Graham Jones

Heavily modified then. Restricted driving license will apply. What
class of license do you have? Assuming that you have not had it
replated to a lower weight and that you are not breaking the law
drastically.

Huw

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Graham Jones · Feb 8, 2004

In message <[email protected]>, Huw
<hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes

>Heavily modified then. Restricted driving license will apply. What
>class of license do you have? Assuming that you have not had it
>replated to a lower weight and that you are not breaking the law
>drastically.

I have a class 1 but you can drive it on a car licence solo and towing
up to 3500kgs but it changes to c1+e when towing anything over that.
It's the same situation as the AA, they've just spent thousands on a new
fleet of IVECO spectacle lift vehicles not realising the licence
implications. Their old car licence drivers can only drive them solo, as
soon as they put a car on the back they become c1+e. Quite a few of
their drivers have been demoted to driving the VW T4's, if you notice
their use of 'A' frames has grown.

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Graham Jones

Martyn Hodson · Feb 9, 2004

"Graham Jones" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Huw
> <hedydd@[nospam].invalid> writes
>
> >Heavily modified then. Restricted driving license will apply. What
> >class of license do you have? Assuming that you have not had it
> >replated to a lower weight and that you are not breaking the law
> >drastically.
>
> I have a class 1 but you can drive it on a car licence solo and towing
> up to 3500kgs but it changes to c1+e when towing anything over that.
> It's the same situation as the AA, they've just spent thousands on a new
> fleet of IVECO spectacle lift vehicles not realising the licence
> implications. Their old car licence drivers can only drive them solo, as
> soon as they put a car on the back they become c1+e. Quite a few of
> their drivers have been demoted to driving the VW T4's, if you notice
> their use of 'A' frames has grown.

only a problem if the driver passed their test after 1997 as those who
passed a manual car test before get

B, B+E,C1, C1+E , D1, D1+E, f,k,l,np

unless they are medically restricted licence holders

and BTW the cut off for none +E towing is 750kg MAM

also i don't believe towing can change the category of the tow vehicle ,
only add the '+E ' requirement so it must be a C1 category before towing if
it's C1+E when towing

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Graham Jones · Feb 10, 2004

In message <[email protected]>, Martyn Hodson
<[email protected]> writes

>only a problem if the driver passed their test after 1997 as those who
>passed a manual car test before get
>
>B, B+E,C1, C1+E , D1, D1+E, f,k,l,np
>
>unless they are medically restricted licence holders

Sorry but it's the other way round. Anybody who passed their test
before 1997 are restricted 8250kgs using the c1+e, after 1997 it's
12000kgs.
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Graham Jones

QrizB · Feb 10, 2004

On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:07:01 +0000, Graham Jones
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]>, Martyn Hodson
><[email protected]> writes
>
>>only a problem if the driver passed their test after 1997 as those who
>>passed a manual car test before get
>>
>>B, B+E,C1, C1+E , D1, D1+E, f,k,l,np
>>
>>unless they are medically restricted licence holders
>
>Sorry but it's the other way round. Anybody who passed their test
>before 1997 are restricted 8250kgs using the c1+e, after 1997 it's
>12000kgs.

AIUI after 1997 you don't get C1+E at all without taking a second
test.

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Martyn Hodson · Feb 12, 2004

"QrizB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:07:01 +0000, Graham Jones
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>, Martyn Hodson
> ><[email protected]> writes
> >
> >>only a problem if the driver passed their test after 1997 as those who
> >>passed a manual car test before get
> >>
> >>B, B+E,C1, C1+E , D1, D1+E, f,k,l,np
> >>
> >>unless they are medically restricted licence holders
> >
> >Sorry but it's the other way round. Anybody who passed their test
> >before 1997 are restricted 8250kgs using the c1+e, after 1997 it's
> >12000kgs.
>
> AIUI after 1997 you don't get C1+E at all without taking a second
> test.

'zactly

pre 1997 'freebie' C1+E = 8250 kg

post 1997 extra tests C1 +e = 12000kg

if the vehicle in question is supposeldy cat B before towing it remains cat
b when towing

even if it did change class would it really go from sub 3500 Kg TOTAL
vehicle mass to more than 8250 KG TOTAL train mass

8250-3500 =4750 kg

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Graham Jones · Feb 16, 2004

In message <[email protected]>, Martyn Hodson
<[email protected]> writes

>'zactly
>
>pre 1997 'freebie' C1+E = 8250 kg
>
>post 1997 extra tests C1 +e = 12000kg
>
>if the vehicle in question is supposeldy cat B before towing it remains cat
>b when towing
>
>even if it did change class would it really go from sub 3500 Kg TOTAL
>vehicle mass to more than 8250 KG TOTAL train mass
>
>8250-3500 =4750 kg

If you read my original post's it has a plated train mass of 11000kgs
with coupled vacuum brakes.

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Graham Jones

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