Tow ropes !

doriz · Feb 2, 2019

I’m coming at this from a... what if I need a pull over shoulda offer a pull.

Thanks for the advice, assumed everyone were carrying flat toe straps over barge rope.

dieseldog69 · Feb 2, 2019

flat said:
I have debated whether to carry a tow rope or not - thing I worry about is if you pull someone out of a ditch that they have ended up in due to ice or snow, and part of their car rips off (bumpers etc) are they going to hold me responsible?

In today’s litigious society, I would stop, offer help or to stay with them until help arrived if vulnerable etc or similar (change a flat etc) but I would not do anything remotely like recovery work if the car was properly off the road

I agree with the need for caution but I've overcome my fear a little and think that so long as I am rigged right and that they have 100% understood that they bear ultimate responsibility and taken the time to sign a waiver form then it should be golden, waiver is worthless but worth it's weight in gold by calming everyone down and slowing things down to the point where they are reading and understanding the risks involved with recovery.

But dash cams, action cameras like the GoPro etc, and camera phones are the way to go when pinning down liability to the dumb twunt in a ditch

neilly said:
You got your 8ths and Tons mixed up there.

Fixeded it, 7/8th for 6.5T, you can use the 5/8th shackles as they are rated for 3.25T but I consider that a static load and not a dynamic load as you would find towing or in a recovery situation, nothing worse than a bending a shackle pin or stretching it to the point where it won't come undone again and you're forced to cut the tow rope in order to get it off the vehicle.

kevstar · Feb 2, 2019

Dartmoor Navigator said:
Attach your rope to your car then offer them the other end. They can then work out how to find & insert their towing eye.
Once done check their fixing.
If they can't work out to attach the rope they are not greatfull or going to peed off when the paint flies.

If in doubt leave their car in Ditch & give them a lift.

If someone here goes into a ditch here its usually call all the emergency services
15ft drop off the banking onto the shore which usually happens 4/5 times a year

It would be far easier to attach some ground chain & mooring rope to the motor & drag it out to use as a mooring lol

bluedog333 · Feb 2, 2019

I’ve always seen recovery straps (strops) and tow ropes as two different accessories altogether. I’d be happy to ‘recover’ someone stuck on slippery ice/snow/mud with a strop, but for actual towing on normal road I believe the tow rope will be better given it’s greater elasticity to cushion out the invariable lateral shocks when stopping/starting and changing direction etc.
Just my opinion though .

neilly · Feb 2, 2019

dieseldog69 said:
nothing worse than a bending a shackle pin or stretching it to the point where it won't come undone again

Glad to hear you fixed it..LOL

With the FOS designed in, if you get close to bending even a 3.25T shackle you have done something wrong IMO, during a roadside recovery which is what @doriz is pertaining to, and need to rethink your approach. As said , a lot of cars will not accept a larger shackle in the small screw in tow hooks supplied.

For heavier "off road" recoveries call the recovery boyos and offer a lift to civilisation.

P&P situation recoveries are a different thing altogether.

Cheers

dieseldog69 · Feb 2, 2019

neilly said:
if you get close to bending even a 3.25T shackle you have done something wrong IMO

It's not that hard, 3.25T isn't very much at all when you all things are considered, vehicle weights, rolling resistance, slopes and angles and then forces applied from recovery vehicle.

But it does depend on what type of recovery you are initiating and the conditions, of course.

neilly · Feb 2, 2019

dieseldog69 said:
It's not that hard, 3.25T isn't very much at all when you all things are considered, vehicle weights, rolling resistance, slopes and angles and then forces applied from recovery vehicle.

But it does depend on what type of recovery you are initiating and the conditions, of course.

The context as stated was a roadside recovery.....

Cheers

dieseldog69 · Feb 2, 2019

neilly said:
The context as stated was a roadside recovery.....

Cheers

What, no ditches on the side of the roads you drive? As you say, context matters and ditches are a very real and very common roadside hazard on every road except the ones that you drive it seems.

The Mad Hat Man · Feb 2, 2019

dieseldog69 said:
What, no ditches on the side of the roads you drive? As you say, context matters and ditches are a very real and very common roadside hazard on every road except the ones that you drive it seems.

just ask @ratty

doriz · Feb 2, 2019

I did pass a small panel van yesterday that had gone nose first into a field ditch, fortunately someone in a slitty was already in place to pull them out. Had the van driver flagged me down I would have been powerless to do anything.

neilly · Feb 2, 2019

doriz said:
I would have been powerless to do anything.

You could have offered a lift to the nearest place of safety with a warm cuppa, hardly doing nothing.

.

Cheers

doriz · Feb 2, 2019

neilly said:
You could have offered a lift to the nearest place of safety with a warm cuppa, hardly doing nothing..

Cheers

I got the impression this chap wanted it back on the road in order to pretend to his boss nothing had happened, a cuppa wouldn't cut it.

bluedog333 · Feb 2, 2019

doriz said:
I did pass a small panel van yesterday that had gone nose first into a field ditch, fortunately someone in a slitty was already in place to pull them out. Had the van driver flagged me down I would have been powerless to do anything.

Have you got recovery points on the Landy? Jate rings, recovery eyes, tow ball etc? If so, get yourself a decent strop and some shackles you tight git!

The Mad Hat Man · Feb 2, 2019

anyone volunteering to put eyes on the end of some rope for me?

bluedog333 · Feb 2, 2019

The Mad Hat Man said:
anyone volunteering to put eyes on the end of some rope for me?

You need some parcel tape to do it properly.

neilly · Feb 2, 2019

The Mad Hat Man said:
anyone volunteering to put eyes on the end of some rope for me?

You really need the blue stuff, the blue makes it strongererereer.

Honest.

Cheers

Hippo · Feb 2, 2019

Eye carry shackles big un small and a 30 foot pro comp recovery 2 inch strap from paddocks. They dun't sell em anymore. Got a 30 foot winch version anorl.

goonarmy · Feb 3, 2019

Hippo said:
Eye carry shackles big un small and a 30 foot pro comp recovery 2 inch strap from paddocks. They dun't sell em anymore. Got a 30 foot winch version anorl.

I have a pro comp strap too which has a silly high breaking strain used it to pull a lorry out when stuck on site (wiff a digger). That strap has a bit of "give" to it as to not over load recovery points. And is long enough to be used off road and doubled up ok on road. I used it to drag mostly German RWD cars outta the snow when I had the classic.

kermit_rr · Feb 3, 2019

What's everyone's thoughts on the 'kinetic' ropes that were all the rage a few years ago? Don't seem to hear about them anymore, were they just a fad? Supposedly great for off-road recovery when you're in properly stuck

goonarmy · Feb 3, 2019

kermit_rr said:
What's everyone's thoughts on the 'kinetic' ropes that were all the rage a few years ago? Don't seem to hear about them anymore, were they just a fad? Supposedly great for off-road recovery when you're in properly stuck

I wouldn't touch em. Too much force in play. There's a very grim vid I think from south America where a jeep snaps one, it goes to through the cab and takes the drivers jaw off. Nasty.

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