Theseus's Land Rover

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

So, I have a Land Rover. I replace the brake drums because they are worn. Is it still the same Land Rover?

Now and then other parts need to be replaced, so I replace them. At what stage does the Landy cease to be the same Landy? Does it ever cease to be the same one?

I replace the chassis, the bulk head, the body panels... in fact, over the course of a couple of decades, I replace every part of the Land Rover. Is it still the same Landy?

If it is, then what if I've kept all the parts from the original and put them all back together (because they were worn and tired but not completely unserviceable). Then I have two Land Rovers. Which one is the original? or are they the same Land Rover?

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

If one of the modulators kindly moves this thread to the "anything goes" forum, is it still the same thread?

RogueTrooper · Mar 23, 2016

Have you tried putting it in a sealed garage yet and wondering if it would start or not?

Schrodinger

...and

...if you crash in the forest will anyone hear it?

RogueTrooper · Mar 23, 2016

The sound of one piston slapping...

honolulujoe · Mar 23, 2016

have to say I don't really get the point of schrodingers cat

theseus often used to come up when talking about servicing vintage guitar amps

RogueTrooper · Mar 23, 2016

Interesting.

If solvista replaces all the parts of the 'original 'Landy but then also recreates the 'original' Landy with 'original' parts thus having two theoretically identical entities occupying the same place and time does that make him a quantum mechanic?

BOOM! BOOM!

Marmaduke · Mar 23, 2016

More like Triggers broom

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

Trigger's broom made me actually lol. Taken from Lincoln's Axe, I believe

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

The question actually came up while (drunkenly) talking to a mate last night.

If we buy an old series, and then completely construct a new landy from a galv chassis, using 100% new parts, but use the old chassis number, can we get awsy with it? Essentially building a brand new series 3

raywin · Mar 23, 2016

Dont they have a points system whereby when you change so many parts you have to have it tested and put a "Q" reg plate on it?

honolulujoe · Mar 23, 2016

there is a points system, but iirc replacing with the right parts "like for like" is allowed e.g a refurbed axle for a worn out one, but solvista is in spain so there may be different rules out there

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

I'm not sure about the rules here, but my point, really, is: Who would know? If I change chassis, engine, gear box, and drive chain, it'd be the same truck. But I'd still have the old chassis etc. that I could rebuild upon. Therefore making that one the original truck, no?

honolulujoe · Mar 23, 2016

you could have the new one as your daily drive and keep the "original" one for shows

I have often considered buying an '82 in vgc swapping the bulkhead plates etc with my tax free and tired old 72 and scrapping the old 72 as the 82

oh the bit where the number was stamped fell off mate

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

It's a valid idea, in theory. How do these fellas who swap a chassis over go about it? If you buy a new galvanised chassis and bulkhead, they won't have any stamps or plates on them, will they...

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

RogueTrooper said:
...

...if you crash in the forest will anyone hear it?

If I speak, and there are no women around to hear me, will I still be wrong?

honolulujoe · Mar 23, 2016

solvista said:
It's a valid idea, in theory. How do these fellas who swap a chassis over go about it? If you buy a new galvanised chassis and bulkhead, they won't have any stamps or plates on them, will they...

up until recently Richards would stamp your new chassis with your number - for a charge iirc - but apparently they are no longer allowed to do that

solvista · Mar 23, 2016

So, you drive around with no chassis number?

The doppelganger plan looks better all the time

markSX · Mar 23, 2016

solvista said:
If I speak, and there are no women around to hear me, will I still be wrong?

No.

honolulujoe · Mar 24, 2016

solvista said:
So, you drive around with no chassis number?

The doppelganger plan looks better all the time

you have to have a number but a series has a bolt on plate with your chassis number on the bulkhead so in theory they could just be swapped and the chassis stamp ground off, so if the later one was put on a new galv chassis it would be hard to tell. I an sure some expert could tell by looking at axle/gearbox numbers etc and over here you could be in trouble for masquerading a later vehicle as tax free if they could make it stick. I am sure it will have been done by some

solvista · Mar 24, 2016

I'm positive it's been done before. Just for the record, I'm not actually going to do it

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