Techniques for newbies

I did say, "the chances are you shouldn't be there in the first place". But the more any part of a lane get unusable unless you've got recovery gear, the more the likely hood is of the whole lane being closed.

spudy said:

raz's advice is best..

if sliding sideways I should steer into... rather than out of.. the incline.

this bit i am kinda confused wiv a little you was told to try steer up the hill if you start slideing?

if you start sliding you want to avoid broodsideing the car as that will cause you to roll...

so it would depend on how you slide ? on how you would recover..

but i would prefere to get my nose pointing downhill if it started sliding rather than end up reversing down.

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for the physic's engineer...

red section. show's the danger's of a slide

orange section. give's advice on the red situation.

green section. show's my prefrence on which way i would prefere to be coming back down.

example..if my arse started sliding down the hill at the side of a track i was driving then i would aim to get my nose up and ass down, so i could reverse if required or be recovered from the front..

example two.. if my nose broke away and started sliding, i would steer into the slide so i was pointing my nose down hill and also be recoverable from the rear, this again depends on wether it was safe to try get the nose back on the track without broadsideing the car.

so as you see it depend's how you slide on how you recover that slide.

I think there s confusion about two different scenarios.
If you are driving up a slope and it starts to slide, stop, engage reverse, back down the hill. keeping the vehicle straight, and do not touch the brakes.
If you are driving along the side of a slope (always to be avoided if possible) and it starts to slide, steer down hill.

As a general rule, it is always easier to work with gravity, than to fight it.

all is becoming clear! thanksd for your comments... all logged away so i can forget them in a fit of panic when they're most needed! What's the worst scenario you folks ha foound yourselves in?

Car related of course (I don't need to know about that night in Soho when the priest wanted to do funny things with his candlestick)

stuck by myself for 6 hours!!
was a few years back when i first got into lannys and i went alone down a track with big ruts, tried to stay ontop but the ground gave way and into the ruts i went, big mistake!!!!!!!! diffs on floor wheels in air dont equal good traction!!!

RAZ8550TDI said:

as for trying to point down the slope regarding the steer into and away, its all well and good if yer trying to get round a bend on an angle, its a strait up failed hill climb thattle get yer, spesh in wet mud, the first sign of your attempt failing just brake clutch reverse and let go and just keep it strait, even if yer try and hold it on the brakes for some reason it never wants to go strait back down.
only experience its gonna teach you all but worse case scenario, i had a rather steep hill once and once the slide came it was a case of full power and try to spin it back round, also if yer aint in diff lock youll find it wont wanna steer for you at all if on wet stuff. best example is this.................
oooo and take some undwear to change into!!!!! hehe .........
YouTube - 4x4 up hill climb LUCKY NEAR DEATH enjoy!

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I was just going to try and find that


In my experience, at Toms farm theres a hill nothing more than a slope having seen track there i thought it was nowhere near dangerous.

The condition was i had been raining and top inch of soil was saturated .

The camber was on my right hand side, a small amount of bushes and then a further drop

I drove down after about six foot the truck just lost all grip and started to slide down, I was in diff lock low, it fell like it was slow mo but was happening quick if you know what I mean.

I steered to my right and manage to get the car to point down and spin the tyres still no grip, at this point panick was starting, I could see that the drop running to my left but with a big drop. I had no choice but steer left and run along side the bushes.

By luck the bushes stopped me in my tracks from going any further.


The lesson of my story is

Never under estimate a sodden grass thinking there may be traction.

Steer in to the slide but make sure you got a stretch to speed up and get the gears to slow you down.

But when you panick try and minimise the damage.


Experience no.2

A friend of mine with a very well sorted td5 defender, full roll cage

Scenario

A slope going down and breaking left

condition

surface water trickling down
Full car two adults two kids

My mate decided to drive down first gear low box diff lock

a couple of meters once the truck got momentum it started to slide no traction

He did the same tried to spin up and steer into the slide no joy for traction but still heading forward to the right direction.

He last result he let go of the steering to pick its on pace braced himself and **** himself and went to the right direction and got saved by the bushes again

Lesson of the story intial one is never underestimate a wet surface and slope

tried all the theory worked on a small amount agan acted on instick and tried to minimise damage unfortunately to himself .


Now we have experienced it we are more wary of situation and have a now a lot of respect of mother nature!!!

yer dint mention what tyres you had on or what pressure you had in em.
I know of one bloke not so long ago that went off roading, nothing too serious but before he started i zed "yer might wanna drop yer tyre pressures abit"
his reply was just to give me a fook orf weird look. anyway he gets to a twisty bit through some trees on wet grass and proceeds to slide side ways down the slope. the more they fooked about the more it got wedged between two trees , at which point someone thought to let his tyres down a bit but of course it wur too folking late. so now someone had to go get a chainsaw to remove one of the trees
after 2 hours of fooking about and while having a cup of coffee he fesses up to having blew his tyres up hard enough to get rid of the road noise.

he wur totally unaware of the effect this would have on his orf road ability never mind his ability to steer and brake while on the road

slob said:

yer dint mention what tyres you had on or what pressure you had in em.
I know of one bloke not so long ago that went off roading, nothing too serious but before he started i zed "yer might wanna drop yer tyre pressures abit"
his reply was just to give me a fook orf weird look. anyway he gets to a twisty bit through some trees on wet grass and proceeds to slide side ways down the slope. the more they fooked about the more it got wedged between two trees , at which point someone thought to let his tyres down a bit but of course it wur too folking late. so now someone had to go get a chainsaw to remove one of the trees
after 2 hours of fooking about and while having a cup of coffee he fesses up to having blew his tyres up hard enough to get rid of the road noise.

he wur totally unaware of the effect this would have on his orf road ability never mind his ability to steer and brake while on the road

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We are bot on bfg muds

Im on 255/85/16
and he was on 12.5/16

tyres was on about 30

I run between 30 33

but super muddy 25

slob said:

yer dint mention what tyres you had on or what pressure you had in em.
I know of one bloke not so long ago that went off roading, nothing too serious but before he started i zed "yer might wanna drop yer tyre pressures abit"
his reply was just to give me a fook orf weird look. anyway he gets to a twisty bit through some trees on wet grass and proceeds to slide side ways down the slope. the more they fooked about the more it got wedged between two trees , at which point someone thought to let his tyres down a bit but of course it wur too folking late. so now someone had to go get a chainsaw to remove one of the trees
after 2 hours of fooking about and while having a cup of coffee he fesses up to having blew his tyres up hard enough to get rid of the road noise.

he wur totally unaware of the effect this would have on his orf road ability never mind his ability to steer and brake while on the road

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what is it they say older wiser and younger and more experience than ever

sorry to ask a stuoopid fooking question here, but am running 235,70,16" amazons, for road use what pressure should i run, i like to firm them up a bit for handling reasons but the back end does seem a bit too firm.

thue a way to test if the pressure is right involving planks of wood and paint. am sure it wur posted on LZ some time back. if i remember correctly you slap some paint of the wood then run over it, if yer pressure is right fer the vehicle you'll get a nice even tread pattern left by the paint.

or maybe that was for checking yer tracking, folk nose, am orf to bed; i might do a search fer it in the morning

find a nice smooth piece of tarmac. draw some chalk lines across your tyres from side to side. drive forwards a few yards, then check what's happened to the chalk marks.
if they've worn away evenly across the width, then the pressure is about right.
if they've worn away more on the outside than in the middle, the pressure is too low.
if they've worn away more in the middle than on the outside, the pressure is too high.

that sound like it, i knew it involved tyres and driving

Ryder said:

Hi landie type people:

I've noticed that over the vast time that we have been laning (three weeks) I have learnt an awful lot from listening to people who go out with us. (Thanks to Spyderman and Urban Dekay for their unfailing support advice and merciless **** taking sometimes).

I thought it might be a good idea to start a thread asking for your ideas or advice regarding techniques for getting out of difficult positions without resorting to recovery.

Someone told me, for instance, that if sliding sideways I should steer into... rather than out of.. the incline. This would help me remain upright (kind of important when my youngest passenger is only 16 months!). I assume this is true but knowing now might save me some heartache.

As mentioned here or in the newbie blog... Spyderman helped me realise that KEEP GOING is usually the rule of the day when in wet mud.

Any other gems of wisdom would be great for both me ('cos I don't mind admitting I'm a bit dim with these things) and those who might be embarassed to askl for obvious advice. So come on... gove it your best. What's the worst position you've been in, and how did you drive out of it?

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I had a close Roll a few weeks ago. Not on a Lane but in a quarry.
It was on a steep decent with a right turn about half way down. The hill was quite rutted and as I went down I hesitated on the bend and my front wheels came out of the rut (to the left) and my arse carried on forcing me broadside. My rear left wheel came up off the ground, my gfriend screamed and jumped out and I **** my pants!

My advice is if your gunna do it! Fookin do it. Dont mess about! Hesitation can be your worst enemy!

But on the other hand, dont atempt dangerous manuovers that are beyond yours or your vehicals capabilities! Especially when you have passengers!


Added: and your right Ryder. We all make mistakes! Hopfully we dont kill ourselves in doing so!!

RAZ8550TDI said:

sorry to ask a stuoopid fooking question here, but am running 235,70,16" amazons, for road use what pressure should i run, i like to firm them up a bit for handling reasons but the back end does seem a bit too firm.

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Raz I have always put 32 front and 33 rear you may want about 34 I have nothing in the back
No seats but jsut spare wheel

I have found that 30 or less was too soft and makes the car dips and wallow at the front.

With the tyre pressure higher than 32 I can do the four wheel drift on the roundabout really well

35 all round mate, and lets just say am no stranger to drifting! hehe

RAZ8550TDI said:

35 all round mate, and lets just say am no stranger to drifting! hehe

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Sounds like you are just as bad

Funny to see a landy drifting in a roundabout only in the wet though

wet? haha, here you know we was talking about performance in the other thread, i went to take off from the lights today and the fooker was spinning through first, dead impressed!

RAZ8550TDI said:

wet? haha, here you know we was talking about performance in the other thread, i went to take off from the lights today and the fooker was spinning through first, dead impressed!

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U sure the clutch wasnt slipping

Hey Hun7er isn't it the mistakes that make everything that little more interesting? I always know when I'm about to really fook things up... I look left and there's the wife..... walking outside the car with our 15 month old daughter out of her baby seat and in her arms.... usually shooting me that "I told you to be careful..." look!