Taller tires - computer recalibration

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How do you figure that?

I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
them give the height or diameter in their charts.

Reality time here.

So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
diameter by PI or 3.14.

What could be more simple?

I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that the
tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.

Makes no sense in my mind.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Chevguy wrote:
>
> Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the radius, not
> diameter.
>
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
> >
> > .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter taller.
> >
> > It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
> >
> > No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
> >
> > I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when trying
> > to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
> >
> > The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
> > charts.
> >
> > You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure out the
> > circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo difference.
> >
> > THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
> >
> > Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Joe Poitras wrote:
> > >
> > > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6" radius
> > > difference.
> > > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > You are mistaken.
> > > >
> > > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
> > > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of the same
> > > > make and type.
> > > >
> > > > See:
> > > > http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those numbers are

> of
> > > course
> > > > > in millimeters.
> > > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the sidewall

> bulge.
> > > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or 1.5 cm,

> or
> > > .59"
> > > > >
> > > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you have a
> > > 235/75R15,
> > > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
> > > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple Inches. Your
> > > moving
> > > > > up
> > > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
> > > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME Height

> but
> > > get
> > > > > a
> > > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get. Or Wider

> yet
> > > > > with
> > > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since they do

> very
> > > from
> > > > > > different Manufactures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite close to

> the
> > > Stock
> > > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire but not

> a
> > > whole
> > > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either 16" or

> 20",
> > > you
> > > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second Number is
> > > going
> > > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider by quite

> a
> > > bit.
> > > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to keep the
> > > height
> > > > > but
> > > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The height the

> same,
> > > the
> > > > > > Width a bit wider.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235 and don't

> give
> > > the
> > > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the second number

> is
> > > the
> > > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A couple

> inches
> > > is a
> > > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my speedo was
> > > right
> > > > > on.
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > was off before...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the speedo. That

> is
> > > the
> > > > > > width
> > > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what

> determines
> > > how
> > > > > > tall
> > > > > > > > the tire is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > ____________________
> > > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

 

"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you figure that?
>
> I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> them give the height or diameter in their charts.
>
> Reality time here.
>
> So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> diameter by PI or 3.14.
>
> What could be more simple?
>
> I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that the
> tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
>


because most calculations for speed vs size are based upon 'loaded RADIUS',
the distance from the center of the axle to the pavement, with the tires at
correct pressure.

which is different from diameter or 'radius' by a good margin (measure it
yourself), either with a tape measure, or by calculation speed vs RPM via
any of the available formulas, using half the diameter in your calculations,
then check it with a GPS

you'll find quite a difference between what you 'should have' and what you
actually have

> Makes no sense in my mind.


yeah, well..............




 
The circumference of a circle can be calculated using either the
radius or the diameter.

C = pi * Diameter

or

C = 2 * pi * Radius

If the ire is approximately 32 inches tall (265/75R16) then:

C = 3.14 x 32 or 100.48 inches traveled for a full revolution


...just my 2 pi worth.

On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 17:06:31 -0600, "Chevguy" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the radius, not
>diameter.
>
>"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
>>
>> .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter taller.
>>
>> It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
>>
>> No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
>>
>> I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when trying
>> to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
>>
>> The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
>> charts.
>>
>> You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure out the
>> circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo difference.
>>
>> THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
>>
>> Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Joe Poitras wrote:
>> >
>> > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6" radius
>> > difference.
>> > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> > > You are mistaken.
>> > >
>> > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
>> > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of the same
>> > > make and type.
>> > >
>> > > See:
>> > > http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > >
>> > > Chevguy wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those numbers are

>of
>> > course
>> > > > in millimeters.
>> > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the sidewall

>bulge.
>> > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or 1.5 cm,

>or
>> > .59"
>> > > >
>> > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > > news:[email protected]...
>> > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you have a
>> > 235/75R15,
>> > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
>> > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple Inches. Your
>> > moving
>> > > > up
>> > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
>> > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME Height

>but
>> > get
>> > > > a
>> > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get. Or Wider

>yet
>> > > > with
>> > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since they do

>very
>> > from
>> > > > > different Manufactures.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite close to

>the
>> > Stock
>> > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire but not

>a
>> > whole
>> > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either 16" or

>20",
>> > you
>> > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second Number is
>> > going
>> > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider by quite

>a
>> > bit.
>> > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to keep the
>> > height
>> > > > but
>> > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The height the

>same,
>> > the
>> > > > > Width a bit wider.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235 and don't

>give
>> > the
>> > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the second number

>is
>> > the
>> > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A couple

>inches
>> > is a
>> > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:[email protected]...
>> > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > > > > > [email protected] says...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
>> > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my speedo was
>> > right
>> > > > on.
>> > > > > it
>> > > > > > > > was off before...
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the speedo. That

>is
>> > the
>> > > > > width
>> > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what

>determines
>> > how
>> > > > > tall
>> > > > > > > the tire is.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > ____________________
>> > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >

>


 
And I was merely pointing out that jumping 20 mm in width is not a couple of
inches of height as stated earlier.

Regardless if you say .6" extra technical ride height or 1.6" overall
height. You will not be crushing cars with them.
"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How do you figure that?
>
> I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> them give the height or diameter in their charts.
>
> Reality time here.
>
> So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> diameter by PI or 3.14.
>
> What could be more simple?
>
> I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that the
> tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
>
> Makes no sense in my mind.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Chevguy wrote:
> >
> > Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the radius,

not
> > diameter.
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
> > >
> > > .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter taller.
> > >
> > > It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
> > >
> > > No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
> > >
> > > I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when trying
> > > to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
> > >
> > > The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
> > > charts.
> > >
> > > You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure out

the
> > > circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo difference.
> > >
> > > THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
> > >
> > > Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Joe Poitras wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6" radius
> > > > difference.
> > > > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > You are mistaken.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
> > > > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of the

same
> > > > > make and type.
> > > > >
> > > > > See:
> > > > > http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those numbers

are
> > of
> > > > course
> > > > > > in millimeters.
> > > > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the sidewall

> > bulge.
> > > > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or 1.5

cm,
> > or
> > > > .59"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you have a
> > > > 235/75R15,
> > > > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
> > > > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple Inches.

Your
> > > > moving
> > > > > > up
> > > > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
> > > > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME

Height
> > but
> > > > get
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get. Or

Wider
> > yet
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since they

do
> > very
> > > > from
> > > > > > > different Manufactures.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite close

to
> > the
> > > > Stock
> > > > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire but

not
> > a
> > > > whole
> > > > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either 16"

or
> > 20",
> > > > you
> > > > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second

Number is
> > > > going
> > > > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider by

quite
> > a
> > > > bit.
> > > > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to keep

the
> > > > height
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The height

the
> > same,
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Width a bit wider.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235 and

don't
> > give
> > > > the
> > > > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the second

number
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A couple

> > inches
> > > > is a
> > > > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my speedo

was
> > > > right
> > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > was off before...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the speedo.

That
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > width
> > > > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what

> > determines
> > > > how
> > > > > > > tall
> > > > > > > > > the tire is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > ____________________
> > > > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >



 
Gary Glaenzer wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do you figure that?
> >
> > I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> > them give the height or diameter in their charts.
> >
> > Reality time here.
> >
> > So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> > diameter by PI or 3.14.
> >
> > What could be more simple?
> >
> > I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that the
> > tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
> >

>
> because most calculations for speed vs size are based upon 'loaded RADIUS',
> the distance from the center of the axle to the pavement, with the tires at
> correct pressure.
>
> which is different from diameter or 'radius' by a good margin (measure it
> yourself), either with a tape measure, or by calculation speed vs RPM via
> any of the available formulas, using half the diameter in your calculations,
> then check it with a GPS
>
> you'll find quite a difference between what you 'should have' and what you
> actually have
>
> > Makes no sense in my mind.

>
> yeah, well..............


The question was about a speedo recalibration.

If the OP goes to the makers tire charts and gets the given diameter of
the two tires in question and uses those diameters to 'compare' the %
difference between them, the speedo should be off almost exactly that
same percent.

If they want to try and figure the rolling radius of both tires and
compare them for percent differences, they will be damn near be the same
percent difference as taking the given makers numbers and figuring it
that way.

Is that just too simple for folks?

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 
The height difference between the two tires I used for comparison is
1.2" period. In my mind, that is a 'lot' taller.

I don't give a **** if one is wider or narrower, that doesn't help the
original poster who wants to calibrate his speedo.

He don't care how much clearance extra it will give him, he wants to
know how much the speedometer is going to be off.

The formula for circumference is PI X D.

The tire makers give you D.

They do not give you R so you can double it to find D, they give you D.
Simple eh?

Forget the fancy metric P ratios, the OP could care less about that, he
just wants to know the percent difference between the tires travel or
circumference so he knows how much percent the speedo will be off.

Mike

Chevguy wrote:
>
> And I was merely pointing out that jumping 20 mm in width is not a couple of
> inches of height as stated earlier.
>
> Regardless if you say .6" extra technical ride height or 1.6" overall
> height. You will not be crushing cars with them.
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > How do you figure that?
> >
> > I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> > them give the height or diameter in their charts.
> >
> > Reality time here.
> >
> > So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> > diameter by PI or 3.14.
> >
> > What could be more simple?
> >
> > I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that the
> > tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
> >
> > Makes no sense in my mind.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Chevguy wrote:
> > >
> > > Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the radius,

> not
> > > diameter.
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
> > > >
> > > > .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter taller.
> > > >
> > > > It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
> > > >
> > > > No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
> > > >
> > > > I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when trying
> > > > to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
> > > >
> > > > The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
> > > > charts.
> > > >
> > > > You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure out

> the
> > > > circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo difference.
> > > >
> > > > THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
> > > >
> > > > Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Joe Poitras wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6" radius
> > > > > difference.
> > > > > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > You are mistaken.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
> > > > > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of the

> same
> > > > > > make and type.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See:
> > > > > > http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those numbers

> are
> > > of
> > > > > course
> > > > > > > in millimeters.
> > > > > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the sidewall
> > > bulge.
> > > > > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or 1.5

> cm,
> > > or
> > > > > .59"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you have a
> > > > > 235/75R15,
> > > > > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
> > > > > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple Inches.

> Your
> > > > > moving
> > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
> > > > > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME

> Height
> > > but
> > > > > get
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get. Or

> Wider
> > > yet
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since they

> do
> > > very
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > different Manufactures.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite close

> to
> > > the
> > > > > Stock
> > > > > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire but

> not
> > > a
> > > > > whole
> > > > > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either 16"

> or
> > > 20",
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second

> Number is
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider by

> quite
> > > a
> > > > > bit.
> > > > > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to keep

> the
> > > > > height
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The height

> the
> > > same,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Width a bit wider.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235 and

> don't
> > > give
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the second

> number
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A couple
> > > inches
> > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my speedo

> was
> > > > > right
> > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > was off before...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the speedo.

> That
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > width
> > > > > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what
> > > determines
> > > > > how
> > > > > > > > tall
> > > > > > > > > > the tire is.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > ____________________
> > > > > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >

 

"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The height difference between the two tires I used for comparison is
> 1.2" period. In my mind, that is a 'lot' taller.
>
> I don't give a **** if one is wider or narrower, that doesn't help the
> original poster who wants to calibrate his speedo.
>
> He don't care how much clearance extra it will give him, he wants to
> know how much the speedometer is going to be off.
>
> The formula for circumference is PI X D.
>
> The tire makers give you D.
>
> They do not give you R so you can double it to find D, they give you D.
> Simple eh?
>

What's more simple, is that they will tell you #rev's per distance for
different sizes.
Using the BF site, a vehicle calibrated to 215 75 15 using 235 75 15 will be
out 4.18%

> Forget the fancy metric P ratios, the OP could care less about that, he
> just wants to know the percent difference between the tires travel or
> circumference so he knows how much percent the speedo will be off.
>
> Mike
>
> Chevguy wrote:
> >
> > And I was merely pointing out that jumping 20 mm in width is not a

couple of
> > inches of height as stated earlier.
> >
> > Regardless if you say .6" extra technical ride height or 1.6" overall
> > height. You will not be crushing cars with them.
> > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > How do you figure that?
> > >
> > > I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> > > them give the height or diameter in their charts.
> > >
> > > Reality time here.
> > >
> > > So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> > > diameter by PI or 3.14.
> > >
> > > What could be more simple?
> > >
> > > I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that

the
> > > tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
> > >
> > > Makes no sense in my mind.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the

radius,
> > not
> > > > diameter.
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
> > > > >
> > > > > .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter

taller.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
> > > > >
> > > > > No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when

trying
> > > > > to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
> > > > >
> > > > > The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
> > > > > charts.
> > > > >
> > > > > You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure

out
> > the
> > > > > circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo

difference.
> > > > >
> > > > > THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
> > > > >
> > > > > Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe Poitras wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6"

radius
> > > > > > difference.
> > > > > > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > You are mistaken.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
> > > > > > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of

the
> > same
> > > > > > > make and type.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See:
> > > > > > >

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those

numbers
> > are
> > > > of
> > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > in millimeters.
> > > > > > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the

sidewall
> > > > bulge.
> > > > > > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or

1.5
> > cm,
> > > > or
> > > > > > .59"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >

news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you

have a
> > > > > > 235/75R15,
> > > > > > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
> > > > > > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple

Inches.
> > Your
> > > > > > moving
> > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
> > > > > > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME

> > Height
> > > > but
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get.

Or
> > Wider
> > > > yet
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since

they
> > do
> > > > very
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > different Manufactures.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite

close
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > Stock
> > > > > > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire

but
> > not
> > > > a
> > > > > > whole
> > > > > > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either

16"
> > or
> > > > 20",
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second

> > Number is
> > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider

by
> > quite
> > > > a
> > > > > > bit.
> > > > > > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to

keep
> > the
> > > > > > height
> > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The

height
> > the
> > > > same,
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > Width a bit wider.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235

and
> > don't
> > > > give
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the

second
> > number
> > > > is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A

couple
> > > > inches
> > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in

message
> > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my

speedo
> > was
> > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > was off before...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the

speedo.
> > That
> > > > is
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > width
> > > > > > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what
> > > > determines
> > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > tall
> > > > > > > > > > > the tire is.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > ____________________
> > > > > > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >



 
LOL!

Good one.

Mike

Chevguy wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The height difference between the two tires I used for comparison is
> > 1.2" period. In my mind, that is a 'lot' taller.
> >
> > I don't give a **** if one is wider or narrower, that doesn't help the
> > original poster who wants to calibrate his speedo.
> >
> > He don't care how much clearance extra it will give him, he wants to
> > know how much the speedometer is going to be off.
> >
> > The formula for circumference is PI X D.
> >
> > The tire makers give you D.
> >
> > They do not give you R so you can double it to find D, they give you D.
> > Simple eh?
> >

> What's more simple, is that they will tell you #rev's per distance for
> different sizes.
> Using the BF site, a vehicle calibrated to 215 75 15 using 235 75 15 will be
> out 4.18%
>
> > Forget the fancy metric P ratios, the OP could care less about that, he
> > just wants to know the percent difference between the tires travel or
> > circumference so he knows how much percent the speedo will be off.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Chevguy wrote:
> > >
> > > And I was merely pointing out that jumping 20 mm in width is not a

> couple of
> > > inches of height as stated earlier.
> > >
> > > Regardless if you say .6" extra technical ride height or 1.6" overall
> > > height. You will not be crushing cars with them.
> > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > How do you figure that?
> > > >
> > > > I run BFG tires and have checked out lots of other makers and 'all' of
> > > > them give the height or diameter in their charts.
> > > >
> > > > Reality time here.
> > > >
> > > > So to figure out the circumference all you have to do is multiply the
> > > > diameter by PI or 3.14.
> > > >
> > > > What could be more simple?
> > > >
> > > > I 'Really' don't understand why folks want to take the diameter that

> the
> > > > tire makers give you, divide it in half, then use Rx2xPI.
> > > >
> > > > Makes no sense in my mind.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you should know that you figure out circumference using the

> radius,
> > > not
> > > > > diameter.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > No, I am saying the word 'taller'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > .59 difference in radius is ALMOST the same as 1.2" diameter

> taller.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is 'not' .59" 'taller' at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No ifs, ands, buts or maybes, the tire is 1.2" taller period!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't get why you folks are tossing in an unrelated term when

> trying
> > > > > > to figure how much 'taller' a tire is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The manufacturers give the height of the tires to compare on their
> > > > > > charts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You need this height difference 'that they give you'! to figure

> out
> > > the
> > > > > > circumference difference so you can figure out the speedo

> difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THEY DON'T GIVE A RADIUS MEASUREMENT!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Man it isn't rocket science, it is grade 6 math.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe Poitras wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You say 6, I say a half dozen. It is 1.2" diameter, or .6"

> radius
> > > > > > > difference.
> > > > > > > I had said .59". Sorry I was off.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > You are mistaken.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On the tires I was referring to, the BFG line, there is a 1.2"
> > > > > > > > difference in height between a P215x75 and a P235x75 tire of

> the
> > > same
> > > > > > > > make and type.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > See:
> > > > > > > >

> http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_long_trail_ta.pdf
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chevguy wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Seeing as you are referring to metric sizes, and those

> numbers
> > > are
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > course
> > > > > > > > > in millimeters.
> > > > > > > > > Measured from widest point to widest point, usaully the

> sidewall
> > > > > bulge.
> > > > > > > > > Using this example below, the tire will be 15 mm taller, or

> 1.5
> > > cm,
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > .59"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "JBDragon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > >

> news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > I work at a tire shop and can say that for Example, you

> have a
> > > > > > > 235/75R15,
> > > > > > > > > > and a 215/75R15, that the 235 will be TALLER!!!
> > > > > > > > > > It would in fact be quite a bit taller, by a couple

> Inches.
> > > Your
> > > > > > > moving
> > > > > > > > > up
> > > > > > > > > > 2 sizes, since you skipped a 225/75R15.
> > > > > > > > > > If you had a 215/75/R15 before and wanted to keep the SAME
> > > Height
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > little wider, then a 225/70R15 would be the tire to get.

> Or
> > > Wider
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > a 235/65 or 60 R15 Depending on the Brand of tire since

> they
> > > do
> > > > > very
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > different Manufactures.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have P275/45R20 on my own truck. The Height is quite

> close
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Stock
> > > > > > > > > > Chevy P245/75R16" wheels that were on in. Much Wider tire

> but
> > > not
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > whole
> > > > > > > > > > lot of sidewall. Ignoring the Wheel Diameter or either

> 16"
> > > or
> > > > > 20",
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > can see that the first number is going up and the Second
> > > Number is
> > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > down. So while the height is the same, the tire is wider

> by
> > > quite
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > bit.
> > > > > > > > > > If I needed to replace the stock 245 tires, but want to

> keep
> > > the
> > > > > > > height
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > a little wider, again I'd go with a P255/70R16. The

> height
> > > the
> > > > > same,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Width a bit wider.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If someone says there want to go up from a 215 to a 235

> and
> > > don't
> > > > > give
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > second # then I and anyone else will assume that the

> second
> > > number
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > SAME. In which case the tire WILL BE A LOT TALLER! A

> couple
> > > > > inches
> > > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > lot. Your jumping up 2 tire sizes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Chris Phillipo" <[email protected]> wrote in

> message
> > > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > > In article <[email protected]>,
> > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] says...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would find someone with a GPS and clock it to see.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > When I went up from the stock 215's to 235's, my

> speedo
> > > was
> > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > > on.
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > was off before...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Going up from a 215 to a 235 will not change the

> speedo.
> > > That
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > width
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the tire in millimeters. The second number is what
> > > > > determines
> > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > tall
> > > > > > > > > > > > the tire is.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 75% percent of 235 is more than 75% of 215.
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > ____________________
> > > > > > > > > > > Remove "X" from email address to reply.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >

 

"mxz1972" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZzRwb.495942$pl3.333975@pd7tw3no...
> Ok - so i have been to 3 gm dealers today and they all told me it is not
> possible to recalibrate for 285/75/16 tires. So what is the deal - the

hand
> held aftermarket power programmer will work but the dealer says

impossible.
> Can anyone shed some light on the topic for my feeble brain. Is it even
> really necessary except for the speedo and maybe the shift points? The

tires
> are only about 1 - 1.5" larger in diameter. What are the consequences of
> leaving it as is?

=================================
No big deal, your speedo will be off a little, and odo too. big woop. :)
Hell when it comes time to sell it, it will show less miles than it actually
has! :) Or you could buy a programmer for about $400 to change it.


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