Surrey greenlanes?

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woods767 said:
That anti-roll bar could do with meeting an angle grinder! :D
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I thought someone might say that :D But I'm leaving it there, because there will be plenty road miles on the Africa trip :D

It will be days before the paint job is done, or even started, the guy who is doing it is only doing it when his guys don't have anything else to do, so it may take a while, but it will be done properly. (and hopefully look cool :D)
 
Booger said:
I thought someone might say that :D But I'm leaving it there, because there will be plenty road miles on the Africa trip :D

It will be days before the paint job is done, or even started, the guy who is doing it is only doing it when his guys don't have anything else to do, so it may take a while, but it will be done properly. (and hopefully look cool :D)
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booger my 110 doesnt have an anti roll bar and i have to say, it doesnt make a great deal of differance - as long as you dont throw it round corners. and to be honest if you throw any overland prepped top heavy landy round corners you are a tit. get rid of it!
 
carpy said:
booger my 110 doesnt have an anti roll bar and i have to say, it doesnt make a great deal of differance - as long as you dont throw it round corners. and to be honest if you throw any overland prepped top heavy landy round corners you are a tit. get rid of it!
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Firstly, a tit is a wonderful thing :D

But I'm not an idiot, so the only thing on my landys roof will be a tent, 4 lightforce 170's and a high lift, so it won't be top heavy.

And, when a cow (or an african) wanders into my path, I want to be able to throw the wheel and at least have a chance of not rolling over. When I lived in Africa I hit 5 pedestrians, and I wasn't even aiming. My buddy Greg ran over and killed a priest (okay he was crossing a motorway at midnight, blind drunk, and the only light bit on him was that white dog collar on his priest outfit :eek:) Different Road hazzards in Africa ;)

Note : To put it in perspective 10 000 pedestrains are killed every year in South Africa alone.
 
any land rover is top heavy - it isnt exactly a low slung design :p

i havent really noticed much differance in handling at all - at low speeds there really is no differance - and if you are going over 40mph and you throw the wheel im pretty sure anti roll bar or not you are goin over! get yerself some **** off bullbars - then you wont have to pussyfoot around and can just drive through the cow. means you get a free meal or 100 also!
 
carpy said:
any land rover is top heavy - it isnt exactly a low slung design :p

i havent really noticed much differance in handling at all - at low speeds there really is no differance - and if you are going over 40mph and you throw the wheel im pretty sure anti roll bar or not you are goin over! get yerself some **** off bullbars - then you wont have to pussyfoot around and can just drive through the cow. means you get a free meal or 100 also!
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Errm not sure how yu figure that one out. I can lift the roof and sides of the 90 on me own. & a ragtop has even less weight. Certainly there's lots of Articulation in a landy and if you throw it around it will lose traction easily and even roll if really thrown into a corner.. But that's down to the design of the suspension not it's weight distribution I'd hazard a guess that about 85% of a deependers weight is below the bonnet line.
 
redhand said:
Errm not sure how yu figure that one out. I can lift the roof and sides of the 90 on me own. & a ragtop has even less weight. Certainly there's lots of Articulation in a landy and if you throw it around it will lose traction easily and even roll if really thrown into a corner.. But that's down to the design of the suspension not it's weight distribution I'd hazard a guess that about 85% of a deependers weight is below the bonnet line.
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surely even a landy that hasnt been lifted has a higher than normal suspension to allow for ground clearance? the weight itself isnt huge because like you say the roof and sides weigh sweet FA, but the whole design isnt meant to give inspiring on road performance, so therefore most coilers will in my experience roll like a boat if you push em hard enough around a corner! even a rag top coiler is a lil soppy - only the leaf spring ones are mental on that front. take an 88 series II and get rid of the roof and you would swear the thing could do a spiderman impression with the angles you can get with em!
 
carpy said:
surely even a landy that hasnt been lifted has a higher than normal suspension to allow for ground clearance? the weight itself isnt huge because like you say the roof and sides weigh sweet FA, but the whole design isnt meant to give inspiring on road performance, so therefore most coilers will in my experience roll like a boat if you push em hard enough around a corner! even a rag top coiler is a lil soppy - only the leaf spring ones are mental on that front. take an 88 series II and get rid of the roof and you would swear the thing could do a spiderman impression with the angles you can get with em!
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I agree they wallow and roll but that's down to suspension. Fit HD springs and mega bucks shocks and they'll drive like they're on rails.
 
i am talking in comparison with a road car, and the CoG isnt low when compared with the majority of them

yea the roll is due to the suspension, but im sure if you fitted landy suspension to a honda accord it isnt going to roll quite like the landy does - the shape surely adds to it
 
woods767 said:
Compared to a road car? or just lower than you would expect?

I wouldent fancy off-roading too severly with a roof rack covered in jerry cans and roof tent!
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Actually if yu look at typical Car design heavy steel Monocoque shell mounted above the axles/wishbones and front mounted relatively light engines compared to a landy with the transmission mounted between and lower than the chassis with the engine/transmission weight spread lengthwise on the vehicle and fitted identical sized wheel/tyres then a landy would probably have the lower COG. I don't think anyone is denying the fact that Landy's will roll if thrown round corners or swerved rapidly or that the more weight you put on the roof the easier it is to roll em. But the reason for this is more to do with suspension design & articulation requirements of a 4x4. than the fact they're top heavy.
 
redhand said:
Actually if yu look at typical Car design heavy steel Monocoque shell mounted above the axles/wishbones and front mounted relatively light engines compared to a landy with the transmission mounted between and lower than the chassis with the engine/transmission weight spread lengthwise on the vehicle and fitted identical sized wheel/tyres then a landy would probably have the lower COG. I don't think anyone is denying the fact that Landy's will roll if thrown round corners or swerved rapidly or that the more weight you put on the roof the easier it is to roll em. But the reason for this is more to do with suspension design & articulation requirements of a 4x4. than the fact they're top heavy.
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Isn't the whole ethos of a landy (overlander with roofrack at least), that it is to be driven sensibly rather than thrown around corners like a tossers corsa?
 
I would usually say throw the damn anti roll bar away. except if you plan on doing an overland type thing which you are. I would fit HD rear springs and really consider twin shocks on all corners. We were blowing up $300 shocks after 2 hours driving on the F350's it makes the next 5 hours bouncing up and down over mountains and sheer drops a fookin nightmare to drive we got the workshop to fit twin shocks and the shocks were lasting about 4 return trips instead of only a third of the way there. I know I would do it afterall you do not need the offroad capabilities of a LR when going throug Africa if you do you most certainly have fecked up in your ground reading skills. What the landy will give you is longevity even if some bits are really fecked it will get you there so it can be fixed all beit at a slow speed.
 
jai_landrover said:
I would usually say throw the damn anti roll bar away. except if you plan on doing an overland type thing which you are. I would fit HD rear springs and really consider twin shocks on all corners. We were blowing up $300 shocks after 2 hours driving on the F350's it makes the next 5 hours bouncing up and down over mountains and sheer drops a fookin nightmare to drive we got the workshop to fit twin shocks and the shocks were lasting about 4 return trips instead of only a third of the way there. I know I would do it afterall you do not need the offroad capabilities of a LR when going throug Africa if you do you most certainly have fecked up in your ground reading skills. What the landy will give you is longevity even if some bits are really fecked it will get you there so it can be fixed all beit at a slow speed.
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I definitly agree with twin shocks, but in truth i dont even think that will be enough. I seem to bust shocks within a fiew weeks, and thats light duty by comparison. If i ever get round to this full re-build, i would idealy want Terra Firma +5" x2 on each corner (i have a three page parts wish list:rolleyes:), the actual mounting assembiys are cheap and easy, and its a tubular rig on the front that bound to be stronger than the standard cones. Also i hear the terra firma shocks are much tougher. I just have the cheap ES9000s, they would be no good for expeditions.
 
how much did they cost you? and where from coz these are the suckers i want for the front of my rack!!
 
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