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doriz said:
Or just your bare feet and a worn out 15mm spanner :D
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Silly, you'd need the whole farmer's socket set
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brian47 said:
OK, it was a cock-up from the start. Poor information particularly, some mistakes were made, and I accept my responsibility for those which I made, but at least we can take heart that the OP's vehicle wasn't damaged by any action taken by LZIR, there was no way I could get enough grip to even move it. After I tried just twice I realised that a tractor was needed and decided to vacate the area and that was "the rock upon which I perished".
If his vehicle was damaged by "others" then that's his lookout.
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I think you're being harsh on yourself there. Perhaps underestimating the gradient and the traction available from your landy in the conditions. However, we can all get that wrong in the myriad of situations that can occur. As James Martin has been saying, it's a large part of human nature to try and help out in times of other's distress. This time of year we often hear of people dying in half frozen ponds trying to rescue dogs! Bloody dog usually climbs out the other side! I think you and the other members who turned out are absolute diamonds and if I breakdown in your neck of the woods I'd be over the moon if it was you lot turning up to help. For me, the crucial difference is that I have an understanding of you from LZ and that would affect my decision making in any communications we had at the time. That doesn't mean I wouldn't help a 1 time poster, but I would approach someone in that instance differently. I've pulled people out and through snow that I didn't even know, again I think it's in most people's nature to help others in need. I would put myself out a bit for a stranger, but would go the extra miles needed for someone I had an affiliation with. The way I see it is that Our Forum and Us as a collective were conned by the OP. It's just that it happened where it did. It would have been other members in the same situation if it had happened somewhere else in the country. No ones fault, we just got had by a shyster. It's taught us all to be a little more cautious, especially for someone who has just signed up to our forum.
 
My last words on the recent CR-V incident.​

Hindsight is as they say “20/20 vision”, so with the benefit of hindsight I’ll try to look at a few mistakes.
First, as many have said there was the poor information provided by the person requesting assistance, There’s a great deal of difference between the first message of “I’m stuck near Swansea” or the next indications saying that he had a Honda CR-V and he had dropped off a track and a 4x4 should be able to pull him out and what transpired as his vehicle was not just off-road but off-piste and at the bottom of a 45 degree drop, not just a slight incline. As the requester had said.

Which brings me to the first couple of mistakes:-
  • Taking the requester’s version of events as the truth
  • Assuming that the requester had already walked the route when he first left his vehicle and informed me that it was OK for my Disco, this included such “advice” as “It’s just over this little dip”.
  • Assuming that anywhere that a CR-V could go, a Discovery could go. As it happened, getting there was the easy bit.
That brings me to the subject of preparation.

First off, everybody is going to think that this is about the vehicle, and yes, primarily it is but not just the health of the vehicle and the state of the available equipment, but also the health of the driver. Like so many people, I still refuse to grow old, but as the events showed, I’m not as fit as I used to be, being totally honest, I probably wouldn’t have been able to walk the entire route, or keep my feet had I tried. So before I attempt anything like that in the future would somebody please slap me across the chops and remind me of this incident.
Another mistake by me was to assume it would be a quick in and out, and based on the available information, that’s how it looked so I wasn’t prepared with wet weather gear, just a pair of trainers and jogging trousers, which did get wet resulting in me having to sit in the vehicle for longer than I have ever done before with my legs just feeling more and more uncomfortable from the cold. So when you’re considering your preparedness for an incident, consider whether you are physically able to handle the job too, obviously I was not.
I have turned out in the past to Disco owners stuck for a fault which could be cleared with a Nanocom, and I will continue to do so if ever I’m asked, likewise I’d turn out to help convey people to a warm and safe environment while the recovery of the vehicle is handled by others. I might even turn out should a member requiring assistance with a "vehicle anchor" for winching, but considering what my Discovery is equipped for and what it’s capable of, I don’t think I’ll ever contemplate turning out as the number 1 vehicle on a recovery again.
 
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