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Iansmi1972

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Hi i bought a 1.8 freelander that was changed to two wheel drive. Driving through Belgium I got a bang from underneath the front and the car can hardly move with out clunking. I don't want to move her without causing anymore damage. I have been able to get it carried on a truck to my destination and I have taken the king pin off and it is sheared. Do I need a new ird? The car has lost no oil underneath

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

From a stressed and stranded fellow freelander owner
 
I was told it was for better fuel economy. I checked and it has had the cylinder head and water pump done so I thought everything would be ok.

Many thanks for the reply, can you recommend where I can order one?
 
I am insured as I told them it's now a two wheel drive vehicle but absol gutted if I am honest. Will try bell engineering

Thanks again

Are they hard to fit.
 
Hi. It sounds like the IRD has failed. As MHM said, the old "it's better on fuel as a 2WD" line is a common trick to shift a Freelander with an IRD on its last legs. For the record, removing the propshaft makes a few tenths of an Mpg difference, probably due to the weight loss.

If you are lucky and have access to the necessary tools, you might be able to bodge the IRD. The pinion is driven by a crown wheel, the most common failure point is the crown wheel or its bearings. It is possible to remove these and still have 2WD. It does entail stripping the IRD though. It might be easier to find a good replacement.

edit: can you post some pics of the sheared parts.
 
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that's only to the rear though Nodge

what is being experienced here is stripping of the drive splines to the front is it not?
 
that's only to the rear though Nodge

what is being experienced here is stripping of the drive splines to the front is it not?

I'm going on the description in the OP. He said the king pin has sheared, I'm guessing he means pinion is missing teeth. You are correct though, stripped splines are also common.
 
I'm going on the description in the OP. He said the king pin has sheared, I'm guessing he means pinion is missing teeth. You are correct though, stripped splines are also common.

the, now redundant, pinion that's driving nothing but itself has self destructed. only way to see if the splines are affected is by removing the pinion?
 
Er, because I live in Cornwall!! ;)
I did the whole breakdown technician thing for many years, now I'm retired from the automotive industry. It played havoc with my back. :(

Dont matter - advice is just as important as physical help. Sonetimes just cup of tea or local knowledge :)
 
the, now redundant, pinion that's driving nothing but itself has self destructed. only way to see if the splines are affected is by removing the pinion?

It's difficult to see if the splines have stripped with the pinion removed. The splines that strip are in the through link in the gearbox, where the diff would be on a normal rover box.
It does seem odd how a lightly loaded, free spinning pinion can fail, but they do. I've seen this lots of times.
 
It's difficult to see if the splines have stripped with the pinion removed. The splines that strip are in the through link in the gearbox, where the diff would be on a normal rover box.
It does seem odd how a lightly loaded, free spinning pinion can fail, but they do. I've seen this lots of times.

no sorry Nodge ;)

i meant it would be self evident when test driven
 
Dont matter - advice is just as important as physical help. Sonetimes just cup of tea or local knowledge :)

Thanks MHM ;)
I really feel for those folks that have been spun some BS to shift a dodgy motor. It's expensive for the owner and it gives the car a bad reputation. The Freelander is bad enough on its own, it doesn't need dodgy seller's making its reputation worse :(
 
no sorry Nodge ;)

i meant it would be self evident when test driven

I see, sorry I miss understood. Yes it's very obvious, it sounds like trying to drive with the gear half selected!!
I'm hoping he can post some pics of what he found.
 
I see, sorry I miss understood. Yes it's very obvious, it sounds like trying to drive with the gear half selected!!
I'm hoping he can post some pics of what he found.

anyhow I hope if he removes the pinion it gets him going again :)

checking for debris in crown wheel and fitting a blanking plate would be advisable.
 
When the IRD 'goes' its because of too much stress is going through it due to the VCU not slipping sufficiently - either due to the fluid in the VCU becoming too viscous or axle rotation speed due to different size tyres (different tyres, excessively worn tyres or incoreect pressure). What ever the cause, its like a 4wd driving in diff-lock on solid ground and puts too much force on the IRD. Initially, thee bearings will get ground down, then once there is slack on the shafts and the gears do not mate properly, teeth break off.

At this point, there will be n awful lot of horrible metalic crunching/banging noises coming from the IRD - and it will be obvious something's catastrophically wrong.

Most of the problems in the IRD will be related to the crown/pinion gears that feed torque to the rear props. Removing the props instantly relieves stress on these components - so with the crown/pinion gears 'floating' things sounds like they're back to normal - however if you pay attention and listen, you should still hear that that something's not right - there will probably be some quieter knocking/rumbling noises.

The crown/pinion gears will presumably have the possibility of jamming, similarly there will be metal fragments in the oil which could also jam the front diff gears. If the gears jam, the front wheels will lockup putting huge stresses through the gearbox/engine as it stalls - I image that these instances are also where the IRD casings fracture and can not be used on exchange with reconditioners plus the splines are likely to strip on the IRD and/or gearbox.

If the IRD goes, the oil should be drained and all metalic debris flushed out. Even if just running 2WD the rear pinion should be removed and a blanking plate installed (to remove crown/pinion gear contact).

Even then there will have been damage to the bearings, so the remaining active parts of the IRD, ie the front diff, will be compromised and likely to fail.

If the IRD 'goes'. The only way to have confidence in it going forward, regardless of whether you want to run 2WD or 4/AWD, is to have it reconditioned.

Without removing the IRD, you will not know what has failed this time on your transmission. It may be splines, or it may be gears inside the IRD. Hopefully the splines on gearbox and IRD are OK and it is the IRD internals that have failed (due to worn beairings and gears not mating properly). In this instance, a reconditioned IRD should get you on the road again.

Replacing the IRD is actually quite a simple process - complicated by the K Series layout. On my L Series it is just a case of undoing about 20 bolts which I got at from underneath with a standard el' cheapo socket set and plenty of extension bars. There's also 2 hoses to the oil cooler and a breather. No special tool are required. On the 1.8, I believe you will also have to remove the front of the exhaust. The higher you can get the car - or the lower you can get yourself (ie inspection pit) the easier the job is. You will also need to unbolt the drivers side hub from the shock support so that you can push it away a bit and remove the drivers side driveshaft from the IRD.

I should add, that this is my take on IRD failure!
 
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