Special Question about the military Defender "Wolf"

Hello!

i am new here and have a few questions about the military version of the Defender.

1. What is diffrerent about this vehicle compared to the civil version? Its always the old 300ti engine, but what else?

2. Is there something true about some rumors, that the military version of the Defender got a somehow stronger frame? If so in which way is the military frame reinforced? Stronger material? As far as i know, the material of the normal Defender frame is 2mm thick, while the measurements are 185x80mm in the middle betweend the axles.

3. If there are refincorced frames, how can if find those? Maybe they only used those speacial frames for armored defenders? Or only for military 130-defnders?

Greetings!

Hello.its not a tdi they are n/a. Yes the chassis is stronger.

And they are all stronger not just armoured or the 130s

Can't tell if sarcasm or not.....

Hmm also not shure, but in case its not ment to be sarcasm: Stronger in which way?? Is it the material thickness of the frame and if so by how much?? 2.5mm? 3mm?

Greetings

Diagonal bracing I think

8 inches of waxoyl.

I was under the impression that Wolf WERE avaliable in the 300tdi, not the 200TDI, as that lacked something (possibly the option of 24V IIRC) they kept the N/A until the 300tdi came out, then started using that as well (about 94 according the wikipedia).

The army continued to use the 300TDI, because the TD5 was not guaranteed to be resistant to Electromagnetic Interference, that and its reliance on computing, meant needing to carry diagnostics in the field, I believe it now comes with a ford engine (not sure if its the TDCi or another one)

I thought thought that the wolf variants do have a 300tdi, the previous versions had a 2.5 na They also have a reinforced chassis, however that is in the form of thicker steel and more internal bracing rather than extra bars welded on.

There are subtle differences around the body, such as less interior trim, reinforcement under the wing tops and slightly stronger diffs etc

If you want any particular detail, I can ask a friend who was involved with the design of them.

The EMLRA will be able to help you out with all the answers. Give em a try.

If you're thinking of buying a 'wolf' make sure you get a real one, and not something someone's painted green and called a wolf for the benefit of ebay.

I remember reading a while ago, that the chassis on special vehicles and M O D
Defenders are reinforced using plastic webbing over the welded joints.

Hi again,

@Dobbs

This is one of my biggest issues with this "wolf" Defender: How to make shure the frame is really diffrent?

IF the dimensions are the same and the number of crossmembers as well, it's getting difficult because i do not want to saw a chassis in good condition in half.

Stronger diffs would be a big plus too by the way but the chassis is the most important part for me, because it is not only stronger but if it uses thicker material it will also need much longer to rust completely trough.

@Boris

This would be awesome! As i mentioned above my latest information about the standart civil frame is, that the dimensions of the two frame rails are 185x80mm between the axles (in the middle) which means the Defender rails are the biggest in its class (both Mercedes G-wagon and Toyota Land Cruiser are far smaller, 155x75 and 145x55). But the problem is that the Defender (as far as i know, correct me if i am wrong!) also got the thinnest Material , only 2mm (while the G-wagon uses 3mm and the Land Cruiser 3.5 to 4mm). All in all, the frame is as durable and stiff as the other two designs, as long as we are talking bending and shocks, but when it comes to rust, thicker steel is always the best. (still the g-wagon will be more rust-resistant than the landy cruiser because the toyota lacks proper conservation)

IF the Wolf frame uses thicker material, like 2.5 or evene better, 3mm, it would be the most durable AND probably as rust resistant, making it the best avilable option.

Greetings

timtheenchanteruk said:

I was under the impression that Wolf WERE avaliable in the 300tdi, not the 200TDI, as that lacked something (possibly the option of 24V IIRC) they kept the N/A until the 300tdi came out, then started using that as well (about 94 according the wikipedia).

The army continued to use the 300TDI, because the TD5 was not guaranteed to be resistant to Electromagnetic Interference, that and its reliance on computing, meant needing to carry diagnostics in the field, I believe it now comes with a ford engine (not sure if its the TDCi or another one)

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Boris113 said:

I thought thought that the wolf variants do have a 300tdi, the previous versions had a 2.5 na They also have a reinforced chassis, however that is in the form of thicker steel and more internal bracing rather than extra bars welded on.

There are subtle differences around the body, such as less interior trim, reinforcement under the wing tops and slightly stronger diffs etc

If you want any particular detail, I can ask a friend who was involved with the design of them.

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Correct Goonarmy dosen't know what he is talking about.
Also the thros/ rebuilts from military are 300 tdi also

:kettlepot:

Thor1950 said:

Correct Goonarmy dosen't know what he is talking about.
Also the thros/ rebuilts from military are 300 tdi also

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Have a look at these on eBay, they show the major differences in the structure of a Wolf chassis -

Land Rover Wolf Chassis 90 New Genuine LRO19910 | eBay

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Land Rover Wolf Chassis 110 New Genuine KVD100910 | eBay

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Hi,

thank you very much for those nice pics!

But since i haven't seen too much civil Defender Frames, i am not entirely certain which parts are diffrent.



The rear Part looks diffrent due to this weir thin piece of metal which looks like it should equalize the curved rear part into a straight frame? The crossbars are looking somewhat more solid?

But how about the material thickness of the frame? It looks more massiv all in all, but does someone got solid data?

Greetings

New Info from Richards Chassis:

To our knowledge all Landrover Chassis were constructed using 2mm rails sides and top and bottom strips, I have seen a few wolf chassis and they
were 2mm. The series chassis used 2mm. 130chassis are also 2mm. I have never seen an original Landrover chassis of any other thickness.
All our replacement chassis use 2.5mm steel on the rails, 25% thicker than
Landrover.

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Think we can say case closed at the Wolf Chassis.

But how about the Range Rover II Chassis, while searching after details of the wolf, i got the Information that this thing does not use the defender frame, but a completely new thing.

Anyone knows any data and how it compares to a 110 defender frame?

Greetings

Errm who gives a foook what thickness of metal is used. If it's made by Landrover it'll rot thru in record quick time whatever they used.

Hendrickson360 said:

New Info from Richards Chassis:



Think we can say case closed at the Wolf Chassis.

But how about the Range Rover II Chassis, while searching after details of the wolf, i got the Information that this thing does not use the defender frame, but a completely new thing.

Anyone knows any data and how it compares to a 110 defender frame?

Greetings

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The p38? The chassis is last of your worries if you have a p38.

p38 is the best made of any ,chassis and body are often rot free unlike other models ,though p38 is unlike defender chassis as it doesnt use 2 parallel rails