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Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?

I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.

 
A Jeep will not only go 'as good', it will be there to yank the stuck
pickup out too....
;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

[email protected] wrote:
>
> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>
> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
 

Mike Romain wrote:
> A Jeep will not only go 'as good', it will be there to yank the stuck
> pickup out too....
> ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> > ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
> >
> > I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> > driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.


I dfound a 99. So there are no problems with these as far as
reliablility.

 
[email protected] wrote:
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > A Jeep will not only go 'as good', it will be there to yank the stuck
> > pickup out too....
> > ;-)
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > >
> > > Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> > > ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
> > >
> > > I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> > > driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>
> I dfound a 99. So there are no problems with these as far as
> reliablility.

Our 88 has past 300K km and is going great still. They are pretty good.

They have an excellently behaved 4x4 system that shifts on the fly with
tons of low end torque.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>
> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>

The issue is traction. If you get some good snow
tires and place some weight in the back of your current
truck, you'de be surprised at how well it works in the
snow. And do you have an open diff? If so, that's the
big reason you can't get any snow traction.
Good tires and track-lock (ls) differential will be
nearly as good as 4x4 in all but the worst conditions.
4x4 is nice, but not a necessity.

With thought in mind, I will recommend a Dakota
for snow traction. In stock trim they are really tough
to beat by anybody. Any schmuck can drive this truck
in bad weather. Just point it and go, even with an
empty bed.

--
..boB
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged!
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1966 FFR Cobra - Ongoing project

 
cherokee 4x4 will work.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>
> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>


 
>Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
>ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?

get an fj 60 or 62, it'll tow the two of em out....at the same time.....;^)
mlm
 

".boB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
>> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>>
>> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
>> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>>
>
> The issue is traction. If you get some good snow tires and place some
> weight in the back of your current truck, you'de be surprised at how well
> it works in the snow. And do you have an open diff? If so, that's the
> big reason you can't get any snow traction.
> Good tires and track-lock (ls) differential will be nearly as good as
> 4x4 in all but the worst conditions.

I used to think that to, until I bought my first 4x4. It's not even close,
yes I can make it to town in horrible winter conditions in a two wheel
drive, but it takes far more skill and concentration, with 4x4 I just plow
on through without worrying about it.
And the spots where you just barely make it with two wheel drive? You won't
even notice them in a 4x4. Yes, you can get them stuck, but if you are good
enough to drive a 2 wheel drive in bad weather you are good enough to avoid
impassable areas, or find a better route through.
> 4x4 is nice, but not a necessity.

For most it's not a necessity true, but when you get in a spot where it is a
necessity there's just no substitute.

>
> With thought in mind, I will recommend a Dakota for snow traction. In
> stock trim they are really tough to beat by anybody. Any schmuck can
> drive this truck in bad weather. Just point it and go, even with an empty
> bed.

Always amazed me how much of a difference there can be in winter performance
between similar vehicles, some are unstoppable, some are helpless.



 
About the Cherokee and deep snow ... it's a light vehicle (3100 lbs). I find
a 225/75 snow tire is ok but my 235s are just that much wider that they
cause the jeep to float a bit in the deep stuff. Suggestion ... stay at or
below a 225 for yer snow tire. Having said that, it could be that in the
really deep snow, the 4x4 truck with that additional 1000 lbs plus would be
the better vehicle. But I like my jeep, open differentials, just fine.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>
> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>


 
>From: "The Ancient One"

> with 4x4 I just plow
>on through without worrying about it.

for someone that actually knows how to drive in snow conditions this is
okay....but for the masses that buy a 4x4 because it makes them "invincible"
they are the ones i pass with my two wheel drive workvan as they sit in the
ditch wondering how this could happen since they have four wheel drive...
 
I will second the 225/75 size limit for snow. Our traction degraded
when we got 235's.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

bowgus wrote:
>
> About the Cherokee and deep snow ... it's a light vehicle (3100 lbs). I find
> a 225/75 snow tire is ok but my 235s are just that much wider that they
> cause the jeep to float a bit in the deep stuff. Suggestion ... stay at or
> below a 225 for yer snow tire. Having said that, it could be that in the
> really deep snow, the 4x4 truck with that additional 1000 lbs plus would be
> the better vehicle. But I like my jeep, open differentials, just fine.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> > ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
> >
> > I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> > driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
> >
 
Just because you can 'go' better doesn't mean you can stop better.....

The owners manuals for both of my Jeeps say to stay off the brakes in
the snow and to use the gears to almost stop, then brake. This works
surprisingly well. The gears can hold you at the 'threshold' braking
point with a little practice.

When you hit the brakes in 4x4, you can get into trouble in a hurry.
With a 'part time' system, the front and rear axles are locked so if you
lock the brakes all 4 tires lock up. You fast slide off into the ditch
sideways. It's not like a 2 wheel drive that only locks the fronts
normally because they have a proportioning valve to prevent rear wheel
lock up. Locking the rear wheels causes strange slides.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

Chris Perdue wrote:
>
> >From: "The Ancient One"
>
> > with 4x4 I just plow
> >on through without worrying about it.
>
> for someone that actually knows how to drive in snow conditions this is
> okay....but for the masses that buy a 4x4 because it makes them "invincible"
> they are the ones i pass with my two wheel drive workvan as they sit in the
> ditch wondering how this could happen since they have four wheel drive...
 
I have a 1 ton 4x4 diesel, and I have only used 4x4 3 times in 17 years, and
then it was in mud. this truck actually plows and drives better in 4x2
"bowgus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> About the Cherokee and deep snow ... it's a light vehicle (3100 lbs). I
find
> a 225/75 snow tire is ok but my 235s are just that much wider that they
> cause the jeep to float a bit in the deep stuff. Suggestion ... stay at or
> below a 225 for yer snow tire. Having said that, it could be that in the
> really deep snow, the 4x4 truck with that additional 1000 lbs plus would
be
> the better vehicle. But I like my jeep, open differentials, just fine.
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> > ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
> >
> > I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> > driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
> >
>
>


 

"Chris Perdue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: "The Ancient One"
>
>> with 4x4 I just plow
>>on through without worrying about it.
>
> for someone that actually knows how to drive in snow conditions this is
> okay....but for the masses that buy a 4x4 because it makes them
> "invincible"
> they are the ones i pass with my two wheel drive workvan as they sit in
> the
> ditch wondering how this could happen since they have four wheel drive...

Don't take this wrong, but I think the highway crews are to darn efficient.
They try their best to keep the roads clear of ice and snow, and as a result
the vast majority of drivers have almost no experience in adverse driving
conditions. The road I live on is hilly and curvy, and the county almost
never plows it. I drove it for years in everything except a 4x4, so yes, I
can agree with your statement.
Drivers in general would be much better off if the road crews were less
efficient, teach people how to drive instead of pampering them at the cost
of Billions of dollars every winter.


 

"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just because you can 'go' better doesn't mean you can stop better.....
>
> The owners manuals for both of my Jeeps say to stay off the brakes in
> the snow and to use the gears to almost stop, then brake. This works
> surprisingly well. The gears can hold you at the 'threshold' braking
> point with a little practice.
>
> When you hit the brakes in 4x4, you can get into trouble in a hurry.
> With a 'part time' system, the front and rear axles are locked so if you
> lock the brakes all 4 tires lock up. You fast slide off into the ditch
> sideways. It's not like a 2 wheel drive that only locks the fronts
> normally because they have a proportioning valve to prevent rear wheel
> lock up. Locking the rear wheels causes strange slides.
>

Goes back to learning how to drive in adverse conditions. You do stop a
little bit better in my opinion, not because of the four wheel drive, but
because 4x4's generally have better winter tires on all four wheels, giving
them additional stopping ability.
Still, the difference is to small to make a noticable difference to the
average driver.

> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Chris Perdue wrote:
>>
>> >From: "The Ancient One"
>>
>> > with 4x4 I just plow
>> >on through without worrying about it.
>>
>> for someone that actually knows how to drive in snow conditions this is
>> okay....but for the masses that buy a 4x4 because it makes them
>> "invincible"
>> they are the ones i pass with my two wheel drive workvan as they sit in
>> the
>> ditch wondering how this could happen since they have four wheel drive...


 
>From: "The Ancient One"

>Don't take this wrong, but I think the highway crews are to darn efficient.
>

not so much here in western/southern Virginia...

>They try their best to keep the roads clear of ice and snow, and as a result
>the vast majority of drivers have almost no experience in adverse driving
>conditions.

around here our snow can be so sudden and missed by forecasters that we often
to get "surprised", and the effect is that the road crews are not "ready" and
we *do* get to drive on unplowed roads....this is when it becomes funny to
watch the people that still try to do 60mph on roads with six inches of snow on
them....they end up in the ditch wondering how....see it every year....

>in everything except a 4x4, so yes, I
>can agree with your statement.
>Drivers in general would be much better off if the road crews were less
>efficient, teach people how to drive instead of pampering them

not sure i agree, as i stated above it doesnt' always happen right here....andi
tend to *expect* to spend three to four hours to get to my house(located on a
state highway) when snow falls....once traffic stops because someone screws up,
everyone that does't know how to drive in the stuff ends up in accidents or in
the ditch, further delaying things...then while traffic is backed up the road
crews can't get through to clean up...its a viscious but expected part of
living where i do...hehe
 
>From: Mike Romain

>
>Just because you can 'go' better doesn't mean you can stop better.....
>

you betcha....i can go alot better than i can stop at times...LOL....(nice
slick "wet" snow here..)

>The owners manuals for both of my Jeeps say to stay off the brakes in
>the snow and to use the gears to almost stop, then brake. This works
>surprisingly well.

the single best thing people can do while driving in wintery conditions is to
make no *sudden* movements....whether it be throttle, brakes, steering, etc
quick/sudden changes are trouble...
 


[email protected] wrote:
>
> Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
>
> I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.

Airing down the tyres on the driven wheels will also improve traction.
Even on 2 WD vehicles.

Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.

http://www.fotograaf.com/trooper
 
the single best thing people can do while driving in wintery conditions is
to
make no *sudden* movements

the single best thing people can do while driving in adverse conditions is
to stay home, or better yet take the damn bus into the city
"Chris Perdue" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >From: Mike Romain
>
> >
> >Just because you can 'go' better doesn't mean you can stop better.....
> >
>
> you betcha....i can go alot better than i can stop at times...LOL....(nice
> slick "wet" snow here..)
>
> >The owners manuals for both of my Jeeps say to stay off the brakes in
> >the snow and to use the gears to almost stop, then brake. This works
> >surprisingly well.
>
> the single best thing people can do while driving in wintery conditions is
to
> make no *sudden* movements....whether it be throttle, brakes, steering,
etc
> quick/sudden changes are trouble...


 
Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:
>
> [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > Looking for a used vehicle. Will a jeep cherokkee 4x4 go as good on
> > ice/snow as say a full size 4x4 pickup with a v8?
> >
> > I have a two wheel drive old truck and could not even get out of my
> > driveway. Had to have my dad pull me out with his 4x4.
>
> Airing down the tyres on the driven wheels will also improve traction.
> Even on 2 WD vehicles.
>
> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.
>

I off road a lot in the winter, we are getting geared up for a 6 day
trip over New Years and have tried my tires both hard and soft on both
snow covered pavement and logging trails and I think I like hard the
best for snow traction. I find airing down can let the tires float too
much which allows spins easy which digs holes fast. Keeping them hard
or at street pressure lets me leave a nice tread mark.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
 
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