Snorkel tops

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Fitted to my defender Td5 is a snorkel with a mushroom top. It came fitted to the vehicle when I brought it; I don’t know what make it is. My question to you- if you wish to give your opinion- is, does the ‘mushroom’ style top restrict air flow and therefore impede power; would a ‘ram air’ or ‘scoop’ top be better? If so are the tops usually interchangeable; could I just fit a new top to my snorkel to improve airflow?
Tell me what you think, thank you,
 
Fitted to my defender Td5 is a snorkel with a mushroom top. It came fitted to the vehicle when I brought it; I don’t know what make it is. My question to you- if you wish to give your opinion- is, does the ‘mushroom’ style top restrict air flow and therefore impede power; would a ‘ram air’ or ‘scoop’ top be better? If so are the tops usually interchangeable; could I just fit a new top to my snorkel to improve airflow?
Tell me what you think, thank you,
The ram air scoop would most certainly be better, but probably not until you are past 500mph ;)
 
I have had a Safari Snorkel on my 300TDi since 2004 and as I consider the "ram" effect to be nothing more than marketing hype and wishful thinking it has always faced the rear.
Keeps the air-filter nice and clean.

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I think, as indicated by 300bhp and Litch, that the forward-facing air scoop is nothing but cosmetic and makes absolutely no difference to the process of getting air to the engine other than sucking cash from your wallet. Certainly, you don't need any ram air - this is just street-poser rubbish. The only reason, as far as my experience shows, for having anything on the end of the snorkel tube is to stop water getting down it and being sucked into the combustion chambers. Most of my knarley driving has been done in dusty but dry conditions, not over-the-bonnet water, and I thought that the higher air intake source might make a difference to the amount of dust getting into the air filter. I have my doubts, and I reckon a twice-weekly blow out of the filter with the tyre inflator would save the cost of the snorkel. As far as water is concerned, given that the amount required to do any damage would be "biblical" - in terms of any rainfall - even that is probably more marketing than necessity, although if the vehicle is parked up for a long period in a monsoon it might just be relevant.
I've had all types of snorkel top fitted, including a perforated bean can for the last 3 months after some lightfingered git nicked my "ram air scoop" (pointed backwards). No discernable difference in performance no matter what's on the end of the tube.
 
"Even if you turned it 180 deg you still have the air inlet in the snorke head itself."

No sure I quite understand.
Yes the inlet is in the snorkel head but pointing towards the rear where it is less susceptible to picking up airborne particles. Safari themselves say in the installation guide that it should be reversed in very dusty environments, I elect to leave it that way permanently.
 
MuddyTreeMan, to answer your questions...[I work with material velocities nearly every week]. Ignoring air temperature and any ram air/venturi effect, there are three things that effect air intake efficiencies, 1, the primary air intake volume pk, 2. air filter quality/through put [and its regular change to ensure maintained clean pk air supply, and 3. the air velocity, and therefore it's volumetric rate m3/hr or CFM. Importantly, it is critical for any internal combustion engine [diesel or petrol] to have matched air intake volume to it's peak air combustion capacity - this is normally completed with an air filter box which is sized at a minimum of 2-4x pk air combustion [the larger the air box/air buffer the better provided the air intake volume/velocity exceeds peak combustion][to make sense of this we need to understand that all ICE's are in fact, air pumps [yes, really...o_O]

The above is the basic measurement at static/idle combustion and is your diesel stoichiometric base ratio of 14.5:1. What now changes is 1. off idle and 2. air intake volume throughout the rev' range [the greater the fuel combustion the greater air volume needed/used. What determines the across the full rev range pk air volume is the total air volume entering through the air intake system at any one moment and above all, its air velocity [we'll save lamina air flow, ram air and venturi techniques for another day :eek:]

Provided the mushroom type air filter opening is greater than air volume combustion pk across the full rev range, your static/idle air efficiency will be correct for your/our engine/s. However, even if the mushroom intake's available air volume pk is sufficient, the air velocity will significantly reduce over a given length of air intake tract [in this instance, the snorkel length] :. it is near guaranteed that all snorkels will have a reduced performance effect on our diesel engines, unless they have some form of air velocity accelerator giving greater air volume; ala ram effect and/or venturi techniques.

So, there is a firm argument for a forward facing air intake as this directly aids air velocity through the snorkel length to the head intake manifold. But...and there's always a but...would you/we notice the difference on our basic tratter engines...? Well actually, yes. But for day to day driving we'll detect very little difference.

Note: I've often thought an inline compressor turbine within the snorkel tube would make a tremendous difference and...as an anally retentive engineer...I just might get out my log tables and slide rule and spend a few nights in the shed using some groovy Heath Robinson principles ;)
 
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