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i have broken the rear 10 spline axle in my
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i have broken the rear 10 spline axle in my
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Do some of you just post your made up opinions as fact on purpose. Or do you actually do any research ever?
Or maybe you can explain how a 300 needs "heavier axles" whatever the **** that really means and why a 200 doesn't. Despite them being around 95% the same engine, with the same power, torque and general characteristics and power delivery and run at the same Rev range???
As for the axle swap, well if you look under your rig, you'll note a Series uses leaf springs, while a Discovery does not. One might assume a large part of the swap is making leaf springs fit rather than coils to the axle casing.
A coil axle is also 6" or so wider than a stock Series axle.
I don't mean for this to be rude. But I do hate people posting made up bull**** that is completely wrong and based on no facts whatsoever.
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Agree completely. Stock gearing on 7.50's or 235's with a Tdi is fine off road and ok on road for trundling about. But will only cruise at 50mph. Top speed is about 70mph at max rpm. If you plan lots of road use and higher road speeds, then you'll want to alter the gearing. A standard petrol 2.25 will be spinning at the same rpm, although the petrol is more refined and more tolerant of higher engine speeds. But a Tdi Series is quite peppy and will easily shoot up to 50mph+ no problem.
3.54 diffs from a coil axle will give better high speed cruising. But will also raise low range speeds. So be a negative for technical off road driving.
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Okay thanks.
Would discovery axels be up to the task?
Do you know how hard it is to make brackets for the leaf springs?
Would discovery axels be up to the task?
Do you know how hard it is to make brackets for the leaf springs?
you are such an awesome guy 300bph/ton!!!!do you have any kids??
just a bit of background info for the nice guy of the forum(such an apologetic person!), i know what Tumor had in mind in getting this landy going again, a bit of fun, and i know his driving style, so if you dont mind, i was recomending that with much more than a series engine, he would need heavier duty axles....ok, i didnt reasearch that a 200tdi and 300tdi engine were not much different, and thanks for pointing that out, maybe you should head over to a forum where everyone knows everything already? - be a lot more peaceful there? not so many provocative posts??
and about the axles, while i dont know about the differences bewteen 300/200tdi's, i know just a tiny bit about the difference between springs and coils.....but thanks for the info on the width!!
you seem to be the sort of guy who relys heavily on facts dont ya?.....yes facts are great, real life can help, get a balance.....i know people who have buggered diifs before, when the stats say they shouldnt have...... - and read tonys post earlier its another example?
thanks!...
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lol, didn't mean any offence, just the way I type...
But yeah, facts can be kinda handy
Anyhow.
Stock Series axles are weak, but for most 'normal' Land Rover use are ok. Not many upgrades for them, you can change the crown wheel and pinion, but pretty much stuck with half shafts and the rest of the setup.
Coil axles from a Defender/Discovery1/Classic Range Rover aren't massively different. The 3.54:1 diff is stronger (as in the crown wheel and pinion) and so are the half shafts. The diffs are interchangeable from a Series to a coiler axle, but a Series is 4.7:1 ratio, so you need to consider the affect on gearing.
Stock coil axles n grand scheme of things are not that strong either. However, for normal tyres sizes and normal off road use, they should be fine. So running say up to a 32" tall tyre. Occasionally a half shaft, CV or crown wheel & pinion will break, but usually cheap and easy to replace and repair.
If you want to spend some money on the axles, then there are upgrade options. Not sure in your part of the world what is on offer, in the UK, Ashcroft Transmissions are the go to place, but there are others. You can get stronger crown wheel and pinions. Different ratios and stronger half shafts. You can beef them up to cope with 35" tyres and a fair amount of abuse.
If you want bigger tyres still and still abuse them, then you'll have to consider a complete axle swap.
Pro's of sticking with the Rover axles.
Well it keeps it all Rover.
So things like props, hubs, wheel rims, etc fit.
Con's.
Coil axles will be wider, so will increase the vehicle track. This isn't a bad thing, but will make the wheels stick out of the arches (not legal in the UK). So you'll normally have to fit Defender style wheel arch spats or something similar. And you sort of lose the "Series" look of the vehicle.
You'll need to fabricate the perches for the leaf springs. Not a big job, but sometimes requires a little thought. But this means some welding will be needed and they aren't a bolt on.
There are lots of other axles to consider however. Many people have fitted Toyota axles, Ford axles, Dana axles and even Mercedes Unimog axles. But all will require more work and more cost.
Remember on a Series the gearbox is also a potential weak point. And as the gearbox mates to the transfer box, any gearbox swap will likely involve swapping out the transfer box too.
You can go LT-77/R380 5 speed box and a LT-230 transfer box. Lots of people have. But on an 88 can make for a very short rear prop and will require some custom parts.
But the world really is your oyster and anything is possible with time and money.
This place sells lots of interesting adapter kits for different engines and transmissions for Land Rover products:
http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions.html
Personally I'd keep it simple. A good Tdi or a 3.5/3.9 Rover V8 in a Series should be fine and offer a good performance hike. A Tdi will be noisy and unrefined, but better on fuel than a V8 and an easier conversion. You won't need to upgrade the gearbox or axles to get it running.
Once running, see how it goes. If you keep breaking stuff, then upgrade those parts.
But yeah, facts can be kinda handy
Anyhow.
Stock Series axles are weak, but for most 'normal' Land Rover use are ok. Not many upgrades for them, you can change the crown wheel and pinion, but pretty much stuck with half shafts and the rest of the setup.
Coil axles from a Defender/Discovery1/Classic Range Rover aren't massively different. The 3.54:1 diff is stronger (as in the crown wheel and pinion) and so are the half shafts. The diffs are interchangeable from a Series to a coiler axle, but a Series is 4.7:1 ratio, so you need to consider the affect on gearing.
Stock coil axles n grand scheme of things are not that strong either. However, for normal tyres sizes and normal off road use, they should be fine. So running say up to a 32" tall tyre. Occasionally a half shaft, CV or crown wheel & pinion will break, but usually cheap and easy to replace and repair.
If you want to spend some money on the axles, then there are upgrade options. Not sure in your part of the world what is on offer, in the UK, Ashcroft Transmissions are the go to place, but there are others. You can get stronger crown wheel and pinions. Different ratios and stronger half shafts. You can beef them up to cope with 35" tyres and a fair amount of abuse.
If you want bigger tyres still and still abuse them, then you'll have to consider a complete axle swap.
Pro's of sticking with the Rover axles.
Well it keeps it all Rover.
So things like props, hubs, wheel rims, etc fit.
Con's.
Coil axles will be wider, so will increase the vehicle track. This isn't a bad thing, but will make the wheels stick out of the arches (not legal in the UK). So you'll normally have to fit Defender style wheel arch spats or something similar. And you sort of lose the "Series" look of the vehicle.
You'll need to fabricate the perches for the leaf springs. Not a big job, but sometimes requires a little thought. But this means some welding will be needed and they aren't a bolt on.
There are lots of other axles to consider however. Many people have fitted Toyota axles, Ford axles, Dana axles and even Mercedes Unimog axles. But all will require more work and more cost.
Remember on a Series the gearbox is also a potential weak point. And as the gearbox mates to the transfer box, any gearbox swap will likely involve swapping out the transfer box too.
You can go LT-77/R380 5 speed box and a LT-230 transfer box. Lots of people have. But on an 88 can make for a very short rear prop and will require some custom parts.
But the world really is your oyster and anything is possible with time and money.
This place sells lots of interesting adapter kits for different engines and transmissions for Land Rover products:
http://www.marks4wd.com/engine-conversions.html
Personally I'd keep it simple. A good Tdi or a 3.5/3.9 Rover V8 in a Series should be fine and offer a good performance hike. A Tdi will be noisy and unrefined, but better on fuel than a V8 and an easier conversion. You won't need to upgrade the gearbox or axles to get it running.
Once running, see how it goes. If you keep breaking stuff, then upgrade those parts.
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honestly i think the best option to do is maybe check to see if the bores on that engine in the land rover is good
just keep it simple
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okay... thanks for that.
the only reason that i'm not keeping it standard is that it isn't in standard condition.... the front flares have been cut straight from the top of the wheel arches to under the lights, and i'm not really doing it up to showroom standard, or anything that would win comps. just a car to have a bit of fun in around a farm
the only reason that i'm not keeping it standard is that it isn't in standard condition.... the front flares have been cut straight from the top of the wheel arches to under the lights, and i'm not really doing it up to showroom standard, or anything that would win comps. just a car to have a bit of fun in around a farm
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I will try and take some pictures this weekend as i am not in town till staurday
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If i was to put a 200tdi init what size exhaust would be recommend?
would a 3in be too big?
would a 3in be too big?
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i dont think so, as long as its not too small, or if you wanted to plumb it up through the guard,
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yeah thats what i was thinking... could add one of those truck style 'flaps' to it as well
the one im looking at isnt quite that rough. lol
the one im looking at isnt quite that rough. lol
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Can't really go too big on a diesel. Stock tdi is 2.5", so 3" will be fine assuming you have room to route it.
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cool thanks.
i see from looking around that the 200tdi into a series is quite popular...... but i cant seem to find a donor 200tdi discovery for the engine, axles, and transmission
i see from looking around that the 200tdi into a series is quite popular...... but i cant seem to find a donor 200tdi discovery for the engine, axles, and transmission
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I was wondering, what fit is a 200tdi transmission into a series IIa.
anyone know?
anyone know?
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umm now your going into uncharted territory well not exactly, i would use the non-synchro crash box fitted to the 2 and 2a, the 3 synchro box im not a fan of, but a 200tdi box would be a better box then the series3,
try to keep it simple id suggest mate
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Loads of info https://www.landyzone.co.uk/search/861324/?q=lt77+in+a+series&o=relevance&c[node]=6
If you change transmission and axles inc suspension mods you're going to fall foul of the points system and it'll no longer be a Series and potentially end up on a Q plate.
There's no reason not to run a 200tdi through a Series box though you might go through half shafts if you're over enthusiastic on the loud pedal.
A 200di (turbo removed) isn't a bad option in a Series either. It's an easier fit and power more suited to Series trans and brakes but noisy.
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Thanks for that everyone...
I'm not sure what condition the gearbox is in. it sorta feels and sounds like you're dragging a steel pole around in a bucket of bolt.......
I'm not sure what condition the gearbox is in. it sorta feels and sounds like you're dragging a steel pole around in a bucket of bolt.......
