Save the defender petition!

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My thinking is to introduce a law banning jaywalking. Instant recipe to put the blame back where it SHOULD reside: Arrogant half-witted pedestrians who can't be arsed to cross at the proper places. HARRUMPH!
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series 3 sweet 16 said:
:eek::mad: why would they? we have had 2 and both were ****!! saying that fuel consumption wasn't too bad other than that it was :censored: dreadfull.:rolleyes:
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Me dad had an 84 rrc which kept breaking down. His series 2 was a rattle box. It's down to peeps perceptions of what's good/bad. Not all vehicles are good. Many have known/common problems. On me round the world trip of LZ I stopped oft for a week in each section on ere looking at faults/questions relating to each vehicle. From what I can see all LR's have their issues. Some are common to more than one vehicle. It depends what yer prepared to put up with. Keeping the Freelander in production would make a lot of Freelanderers happy.
 
what you mean why james? the shape, the economy being so good ish, there reliability, if yer a real man then own a range rover upto 2005, pre & defender upto td5 and td5 itself, series 1-2-2a-3, none of these G^YLANDERS & EVOQUE CRAPS!!

BE MEN AND KEEP THE DADDY AND GRANDADDY OF VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
What's happening? Are they continuing defender's or stopping production?
If there's a new one next year what does it look like?
 
I really fail to see the point of this thread.

1. The current defender is being killed off by legislation as well as economic factors. It's been held on to for as long as possible with new engines and other modifications, but really its time has passed. IMO an expanded Discovery lineup (with pickup, chassis cab etc) should have replaced it in 1989.
2. There is a new version in development (2019?). Disregard anything by Autocar- they're merrily making things up to get views. No, you won't be able to mend it with a brick and a piece of string. Judging by the capabilities of the latest LR products, it will be as capable if not more so than the current model.
3. Design and development has to go on if a company is to stay in business. The average buyer no longer wants a vehicle that's at least 30 years old in design- hence why there are so many Japanese 4x4s around.
4. Land Rover haven't "lost their way" or any such nonsense that inevitably pops up whenever a new model is announced. They're building what sells and brings in the cash, just like any sensible manufacturer. They know the Defender is meant as a working vehicle, don't worry about that.
5. What does the OP expect the government to do? JLR is a private company, they can manufacture or not manufacture whatever they like.
 
The Defender can be modernized/updated while staying true to it's roots.

It needs to remain modular, it needs a ladder chassis and it needs two solid axles.
 
It needs to remain modular
Yes, and I've been wondering what those such as electricity companies will do to replace those special bodied Landies.

IMO an expanded Discovery lineup (with pickup, chassis cab etc) should have replaced it in 1989
Other than 'replaced' I couldn't agree more, Pete, Land Rover really missed a trick there. If you were at Welshpool Livestock Market say 25 years ago, it was wall to wall Landies, probably 95%, with the odd Disco, R/Rover and a sprinkling of Daihatsus and Jeeps. Now I'd say Landies were in the minority, nearly everything is those 4 door pickups - and never mind that they're useless in snow !
 
Superaquarama said:
It needs to remain modular
If you were at Welshpool Livestock Market say 25 years ago, it was wall to wall Landies, probably 95%, with the odd Disco, R/Rover and a sprinkling of Daihatsus and Jeeps. Now I'd say Landies were in the minority, nearly everything is those 4 door pickups - and never mind that they're useless in snow !
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It's the same here in Cornwall. Land Rovers are few and far between and when they are around, they are old. There is only one person I know of that's bought a new Defender in the last 3 years and I can't see him buying another. Even my neighbour had a Range Rover Classic when he first arrived, replaced that with a D2 and then went for a L200 4 door pick up, followed by another, which is likely to be replaced by a similar Asian clone. Those that don't buy modern 4 door pick ups buy quads.

I really hate to see it, but it's just the way things are - the Defender has become largely irrelevant to anyone who's in the market for a working farm vehicle.
 
Tigger Eeyore & Roo said:
It's the same here in Cornwall. Land Rovers are few and far between and when they are around, they are old. There is only one person I know of that's bought a new Defender in the last 3 years and I can't see him buying another. Even my neighbour had a Range Rover Classic when he first arrived, replaced that with a D2 and then went for a L200 4 door pick up, followed by another, which is likely to be replaced by a similar Asian clone. Those that don't buy modern 4 door pick ups buy quads.

I really hate to see it, but it's just the way things are - the Defender has become largely irrelevant to anyone who's in the market for a working farm vehicle.
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Why has the Defender become "irrelevant to anyone who's in the market for a working farm vehicle"?

If that's the case then Defender does need an overhaul, as that was the core market.

Don't get me wrong l love Defenders, l drive one by choice 1,000 miles per month for my business and the missus has a TD5 CSW.
But why are farmers not buying? The vehicle is pretty much the same as it was thirty years ago.

People are saying they want Defender to stay as it is. But it's clearly not acceptable to the new breed of buyers in its current form.
 
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