P38A Same S**T Different Day....

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RangeRoller dt said:
I see why you’ve been hiding....:p;)

Any idea what it was or cost? It worked well though on the EAS?
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Cost me about £150 off eBay, it's a Viair 450c. If you take one of the brackets off the original pump you can, with a bit of hacking at the EAS box and some gentle persuasion, get it to sit on the stock mounts. Or you can probably mount it on the chassis near the suspension turret. The output from it is 3/8ths threaded, so you'll need an adaptor to get on the 6mm (or possibly 8mm?) pipe for the EAS. The pump has an internal thermal cutoff, so the thermal wire (can't remember the colour) on the cars plug just needs connecting to ground.

Once it's in it works really well. It's noisier than stock, but that actually helped me discover a leak in my pipes. It gets the car up to height from completely empty tanks & bags in about 2 minutes, and it can run constantly without risk of burning it out.
 
TallPaulB said:
My monster EAS pump worked really well, unfortunately my head gasket went and my front prop shaft broke within a week of each other so I've had enough of P38's. Sold it for what I bought it for and bought a 2007 L322 instead.
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The P38 obviously didn't give you enough trouble then? The L322 will test your resolve:eek:
 
TallPaulB said:
Cost me about £150 off eBay, it's a Viair 450c. If you take one of the brackets off the original pump you can, with a bit of hacking at the EAS box and some gentle persuasion, get it to sit on the stock mounts. Or you can probably mount it on the chassis near the suspension turret. The output from it is 3/8ths threaded, so you'll need an adaptor to get on the 6mm (or possibly 8mm?) pipe for the EAS. The pump has an internal thermal cutoff, so the thermal wire (can't remember the colour) on the cars plug just needs connecting to ground.

Once it's in it works really well. It's noisier than stock, but that actually helped me discover a leak in my pipes. It gets the car up to height from completely empty tanks & bags in about 2 minutes, and it can run constantly without risk of burning it out.
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The standard pump works well enough in a well maintained system.
 
Datatek said:
The standard pump works well enough in a well maintained system.
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Yes. I did look into this once and the Land Rover compressor is optimised to work between 100 and 150 psi with up to a 30% duty cycle - the expected working range. If you have a leak then it drops below 100 psi and then it struggles. Got a feeling I looked at Viair but they were slower at filling between 100-150psi but faster lower down. In the end I decided it was best to stick with the stock pump.
 
The problem I had with the stock pump was that I sprung a leak and then didn't have time to look at it for a couple of weeks, by which time running the pump all the time had burned it out. A beefier pump means that you don't have to sort out a leak immediately, you can run with it for a couple of weeks until you get chance to look at it. I appreciate that, if you have the time to maintain the system correctly and sort out any leaks as and when they occur, the stock pump is fine. For me though a beefier pump and the leeway it gave me was better.

The L322 has been running for just over a week now with no issues, so it's already doing better than the P38 did. It's 6 years newer with 70,000 miles less on the clock though so that's to be expected :)
 
TallPaulB said:
The problem I had with the stock pump was that I sprung a leak and then didn't have time to look at it for a couple of weeks, by which time running the pump all the time had burned it out. A beefier pump means that you don't have to sort out a leak immediately, you can run with it for a couple of weeks until you get chance to look at it. I appreciate that, if you have the time to maintain the system correctly and sort out any leaks as and when they occur, the stock pump is fine. For me though a beefier pump and the leeway it gave me was better.

The L322 has been running for just over a week now with no issues, so it's already doing better than the P38 did. It's 6 years newer with 70,000 miles less on the clock though so that's to be expected :)
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With good maintenance, the system doesn't leak:D
 
RangeRoller dt said:
@TallPaulB We will see in a few years if your l322 outlasts my already 24yr old P38...:D
Newer is not necessarily better with these things ;)

I would probably drop it on the bumps if parked up, may not be so healthy for the bags then? I don’t know
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Less movement the better on the bags, I think. Better for the compressor anyway.
 
RangeRoller dt said:
Suppose if it’s maintained it will stand up without needing the compressor, and bags full will prevent cracking better than any folds.
If it keeps waking to pump up itl cause mayhem, even RF receiver is awful enough :eek:
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EAS does not waken to pump suspension up. It does waken every six hours or so but only to self level down to the lowest corner. That is where the fault code "Car has moved" comes from. It only levels downwards and never more than 8 mm at a time. A drop of up to 15 mm in twenty four hours is considered acceptable. Well that's what Land rover say but what do they know. :D:D
 
RangeRoller dt said:
I’ve heard they will stand right up for weeks okay from members if well maintained.

Wonder if mine is waking up, going crazy, then snoozing, going crazy again? Hate to see what a nanocom thinks is going on :eek:
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My P38 on Arnott Gen II's stays up for 3 weeks, just a quick flash on the christmas tree. The one on Dunlops drops a bit over the same period. Arnott air springs are crimped to the body of the spring assembly, Dunlops use tyre type bead to seal, maybe they do not seal quite as well. Even so it's back up to height after starting the engine by the time I get the seat belt on.
Temperature changes affect things and so do high winds.
 
RangeRoller dt said:
I’ve heard they will stand right up for weeks okay from members if well maintained.

Wonder if mine is waking up, going crazy, then snoozing, going crazy again? Hate to see what a nanocom thinks is going on :eek:
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Depends if flat. If a wheel is down a rut and the height sensors go too far out of whack it will lower to the lowest corner when it wakes up.
 
RangeRoller dt said:
@TallPaulB We will see in a few years if your l322 outlasts my already 24yr old P38...:D
Newer is not necessarily better with these things ;)
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Well it's not blown a head gasket, lost a drive shaft, eaten a crankshaft sensor, dropped all its coolant, had its brakes fail, killed a water pump or spat dessicant through its EAS valve block yet.....so it's doing better than my 18 year old P38 so far.
 
TallPaulB said:
Well it's not blown a head gasket, lost a drive shaft, eaten a crankshaft sensor, dropped all its coolant, had its brakes fail, killed a water pump or spat dessicant through its EAS valve block yet.....so it's doing better than my 18 year old P38 so far.
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Unusual to lose a drive shaft on a P38. UJs sometimes let go if people don't maintain them.
 
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