RU Guilty Freelander Driver - I guess you dont actually interested in 4x4 s!

thanks for the compassion - I don't expect the prat to have my mums health
records - I just think that everyone should realise in life what you do has
an effect on others - even if you never meet them!
"Peter Thomas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>, Adrian
> <[email protected]> writes
> >Nigel ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> >were saying :
> >
> >>> > My Mum (72 ) had terminal cancer yet some prat in a gold/ silver
> >>> > Freelander drove through this little flood at 50/60 despite a 30MPH
> >>> > town limit
> >
> >>> > Just thought you'd like to know she went downhill really quickly and
> >>> > died within a week despite a 4/6 month forecast by the Doctors
> >
> >>> > God Bless you Bastard!!! - you never braked and you never stopped!
> >>> > I hope you know the pain I feel
> >
> >> I think there are times when it's ok to be a smart arse, and times
> >> that warrant a little understanding and compassion.
> >
> >I'm intrigued as to how the Freelunch driver, tosser though he may be,
was
> >meant to have the OP's mother's complete medical records at his
> >fingertips..?
>
>
> Not sure I believe any of the estimated speeds. Not the 60, and not the
> 10/15 mph. Back when my father was alive and an insurance claims man, he
> and his colleagues would look at the reports of people hitting this
> bridge. Those in a fit state to complete the claim form always claimed
> to have been approaching at 20-25 mph or less. This was taken with a
> strong pinch of salt, because of physical evidence to the contrary in
> the shape of the damage suffered. It did provide a predictable chuckle,
> though.
>
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:52:20 +0000, tommy wrote:

> I hope you suffer what I have had to

How do you know he hasn't? 1 in 3 people are affected by cancer.

> - when you are that ill a slight dent is a shock to the system

If she was that fragile, I wonder whether it was responsible to take her
onto the road at all. Accidents are *incredibly* common as you have
discovered.

> PS God Bless you

Is there no ceiling to your moral highground? I guess we'll find out.

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- Miss Vodrey; Anna of the Five Towns

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:55:23 +0000, tommy wrote:
>
> thanks for the compassion - I don't expect the prat to have my mums health
> records - I just think that everyone should realise in life what you do has
> an effect on others - even if you never meet them!

The problem is, this being usenet, and you historically having a bee in
your bonnet about various types of cars and the way they're driven, nobody
really knows whether you should be taken seriously.

If this 4x4 driver's behaviour really did lead to the premature death of
your mother, I presume it was reported to the police? Regardless of
whether you got the number plate. Presumably there was or will be an
inquest into your mother's death due to the premature nature and the
implications of this incident. Will you/have you give evidence?

--
Lee John Moore
"It's the sign of a hard winter, when the hay runs after the horse!"
- Miss Vodrey; Anna of the Five Towns

Steve Firth wrote:
> Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>You mean... it could have been you, and you need to know where it was to
>>be sure?
>
>
> Meaning I couldn't dismiss it out of hand without having more
> information.
>
>
>>Berkshire actually, so this is now officially OT for u.r.surrey.
>
>
> Still just about on opic for urc4x4. Well, it's not out of the question,
> I drive in some parts of Berkshire. But not much, I tend to try and get
> out of the pest hole by the shortest possible route.
>
> What sort of 4x4? Or colour?
>
>
>>The water BTW was only about a foot deep until he turned up, which was
>>quite enough for my ordinary road car. I was pleasantly surprised that it
>>kept running - presumably the grill stopped the wave and kept the level in
>>the engine compartment in reasonable bounds - but less surprised that he
>>didn't stop to check.
>
>
> Was there any reason that he should have stopped?
>

OK Steve, let me get this straight.

You are saying that on occasion you have driven through a flood at such
a speed that you have thrown a wave deep enough to flood another
vehicle? And that you see nothing wrong with this? And that you can't
see why, having done this (presumably by mistake), it might be courteous
to check that the other driver is OK?

Andy.

Nigel <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think there are times when it's ok to be a smart arse, and times that
> warrant a little understanding and compassion.

This is one of the former.

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Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:

> You are saying that on occasion you have driven through a flood at such
> a speed that you have thrown a wave deep enough to flood another
> vehicle?

No, that's what you were saying. I am trying to determine if you have
reasonable grounds for saying so. So far I'm left witht he impression
that you don't want to give sufficient information for me to know
whether your claim is instantly dismissable or needs me to provide some
detailed proof to dismiss it.

> And that you see nothing wrong with this? And that you can't
> see why, having done this (presumably by mistake), it might be courteous
> to check that the other driver is OK?

I can't see why you think that the driver that you allege behaved as you
indicate should necessarily have stopped. It's not clear for example
that he would have had reason to stop.

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Lee John Moore <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:52:20 +0000, tommy wrote:
>
> > I hope you suffer what I have had to
>
> How do you know he hasn't? 1 in 3 people are affected by cancer.

There have been three members of my immediate family that have had
cancer.

> > - when you are that ill a slight dent is a shock to the system
>
> If she was that fragile, I wonder whether it was responsible to take her
> onto the road at all. Accidents are *incredibly* common as you have
> discovered.

Having done so, one suspects that one would take care to ensure that one
drove in a safe manner. Driving into a bridge isn't safe driving, and
being prepared for the possibility of an oncoming vehicle throwing up
spray when driving through water is part of normal good drivign
practice.

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tommy <[email protected]> wrote:

> I hope you suffer what I have had to

<snigger> I just love it when people like you show their real, two-faced
nature to the world.

> - when you are that ill a slight dent is a shock to the system

Then you should not hav edriven into a bridge.

> PS God Bless you

**** God.

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> > I think there are times when it's ok to be a smart arse, and times that
> > warrant a little understanding and compassion.

> This is one of the former.


Steve give up you moron you have not said one comment of interest yet

In message <[email protected]>, tommy
<[email protected]> writes
>thanks for the compassion - I don't expect the prat to have my mums health
>records - I just think that everyone should realise in life what you do has
>an effect on others - even if you never meet them!


It would take a heart of stone not to laugh.

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Steve Firth wrote:
> Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>You are saying that on occasion you have driven through a flood at such
>>a speed that you have thrown a wave deep enough to flood another
>>vehicle?
>
>
> No, that's what you were saying. I am trying to determine if you have
> reasonable grounds for saying so. So far I'm left witht he impression
> that you don't want to give sufficient information for me to know
> whether your claim is instantly dismissable or needs me to provide some
> detailed proof to dismiss it.
>
I'm puzzled. I said "So it wasn't you the winter before last... driving
through a flood, some clown in a 4x4 throwing up a wave big enough that
it went over the top of my bonnet?" - largely in fun, which may have
escaped you. You said "Give a location." - which led me to beleive that
you didn't see this as a joke at all, and that it could have been you,
and you needed the location to be sure whether or not it was you. So I
checked: "You mean... it could have been you, and you need to know
where it was to be sure?". Sure enough, you said "Meaning I couldn't
dismiss it out of hand without having more information." - now I'm
pretty certain you had to know the location to eliminate yourself. In
fact, you then went on to say "What sort of 4x4? Or colour?" -
collecting more information.

I'm telling you that, the *winter before last* this did happen. I don't
recall the make or colour of 4x4 - ISTR it was a large, Japanese one in
a metallic finish, possibly a Shogun, but I wouldn't swear to it - and
I've told you it was in Berkshire. Since you insist, unclassified road
adjacent to Dinton Pastures, Wokingham, grid ref SU781730 give or take
100 metres.

Can you now ease your conscience?

>
>>And that you see nothing wrong with this? And that you can't
>>see why, having done this (presumably by mistake), it might be courteous
>>to check that the other driver is OK?
>
>
> I can't see why you think that the driver that you allege behaved as you
> indicate should necessarily have stopped. It's not clear for example
> that he would have had reason to stop.
>
Well, he (she possibly) drove into water, left a deep wake, saw the car
coming the other way which was obviously far less suited to the
conditions come to a sudden stop as he passed and the wave went over the
bonnet then carried on leaving me still stationary in the middle of the
water. I can imagine only three scenarios:

(1) was not thinking or paying attention and did not realise had had a
good go at writing off another's vehicle
(2) realised too late the possible damage that had been caused, and was
running away
(3) had done it on purpose, and was laughing up the hill out of the water

None of these examples show any kind of belief in society as a mechanism
where people cooperate to make life better for each other. I would
imagine that you, as someone who is at least partly paid by the
taxpayer, would be aware of the benefits that a society can bring.

I will not comment further on this topic, except to add my
commiserations to Tommy and his family. I merely suffered a nasty
fright; he has sufferred a major loss at least partly caused by the same
kind of thoughtless behaviour I experienced.

Andy.

brian <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve give up you moron

Sentences end with a full stop, Brain.

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Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve Firth wrote:
> > Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>You are saying that on occasion you have driven through a flood at such
> >>a speed that you have thrown a wave deep enough to flood another
> >>vehicle?
> >
> >
> > No, that's what you were saying. I am trying to determine if you have
> > reasonable grounds for saying so. So far I'm left witht he impression
> > that you don't want to give sufficient information for me to know
> > whether your claim is instantly dismissable or needs me to provide some
> > detailed proof to dismiss it.
> >
> I'm puzzled. I said "So it wasn't you the winter before last... driving
> through a flood, some clown in a 4x4 throwing up a wave big enough that
> it went over the top of my bonnet?" - largely in fun, which may have
> escaped you. You said "Give a location." - which led me to beleive that
> you didn't see this as a joke at all, and that it could have been you,
> and you needed the location to be sure whether or not it was you. So I
> checked: "You mean... it could have been you, and you need to know
> where it was to be sure?". Sure enough, you said "Meaning I couldn't
> dismiss it out of hand without having more information." - now I'm
> pretty certain you had to know the location to eliminate yourself. In
> fact, you then went on to say "What sort of 4x4? Or colour?" -
> collecting more information.
>
> I'm telling you that, the *winter before last* this did happen. I don't
> recall the make or colour of 4x4 - ISTR it was a large, Japanese one in
> a metallic finish, possibly a Shogun, but I wouldn't swear to it - and
> I've told you it was in Berkshire. Since you insist, unclassified road
> adjacent to Dinton Pastures, Wokingham, grid ref SU781730 give or take
> 100 metres.
>
> Can you now ease your conscience?

Are you alleging that I acted as you describe?

> >
> >>And that you see nothing wrong with this? And that you can't
> >>see why, having done this (presumably by mistake), it might be courteous
> >>to check that the other driver is OK?
> >
> >
> > I can't see why you think that the driver that you allege behaved as you
> > indicate should necessarily have stopped. It's not clear for example
> > that he would have had reason to stop.
> >
> Well, he (she possibly) drove into water, left a deep wake, saw the car
> coming the other way which was obviously far less suited to the
> conditions come to a sudden stop as he passed and the wave went over the
> bonnet then carried on leaving me still stationary in the middle of the
> water. I can imagine only three scenarios:
>
> (1) was not thinking or paying attention and did not realise had had a
> good go at writing off another's vehicle
> (2) realised too late the possible damage that had been caused, and was
> running away
> (3) had done it on purpose, and was laughing up the hill out of the water

(4) You were responsible for what happened.

I've seen somethign similar before when I waded through flood water at
Send Marsh in a Citroen BX. The water came up to the door sills and some
silly bugger in a Sierra decide to plunge into the water. A huge wave of
water went right over the car as you describe happened to you. As I
emerged from the water, he was able to see that the suspension on my car
was jacked up to give the maximum ground clearance.

Later he tried to blame me, for the wave that soaked his car. The police
laughed at him. Drivers tend to blame other people for their own
failings.

> None of these examples show any kind of belief in society as a mechanism
> where people cooperate to make life better for each other. I would
> imagine that you, as someone who is at least partly paid by the
> taxpayer, would be aware of the benefits that a society can bring.
>
> I will not comment further on this topic, except to add my
> commiserations to Tommy and his family. I merely suffered a nasty
> fright; he has sufferred a major loss at least partly caused by the same
> kind of thoughtless behaviour I experienced.

No, he's suffered a loss and he's trying to blame someone else for it.
Even by his own admission, he's culpable of ****-poor driving.

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Steve Firth ([email protected]) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying :

>> Steve give up you moron

> Sentences end with a full stop, Brain.

I think he may be suggesting that you free the moron that you've got held
hostage in your basement.

"Steve, give up you(r) moron"

> >> Steve give up you moron
>
> > Sentences end with a full stop, Brain.
>
> I think he may be suggesting that you free the moron that you've got held
> hostage in your basement.

Why's that. The below quote wasn't what he typed.

> "Steve, give up you(r) moron"

Peter

Steve Firth wrote:
<lots of stuff, snipped>

I give up. Guilty conscience, trolling, whatever it is that fires him
(and I don't know!) this is pointless.

Andy.

Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:

> I give up. Guilty conscience, trolling, whatever it is that fires him
> (and I don't know!) this is pointless.

Perhaps you should think before you start making allegations then?

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> Andy Champ <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Steve Firth wrote:
> > > QrizB <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>I'll have you know he comes in handy on uk.rec.cars.4x4, on
> > >>occasion, with clues for the clueless
> > >
> > >
> > > Wheeze, <clunk>.
> > >
> >
> > So it wasn't you the winter before last... driving through a flood,
> > some clown in a 4x4 throwing up a wave big enough that it went over
> > the top of my bonnet?
>
> Sounds like something I did in the mid 1990's.
>
> Some prat in a Volvo had tried to get through waist-deep flood waters.
> As the waters were so deep I thought that nobody would be in the water
> so charged in with my 2A FC. I came round a corner (the flood was very
> long and waist deep for 2 corners) and saw a Volvo with water up to the
> base of the windscreen. I slowed so as not to drown him (for 'twas a
> "he") then saw a large bow-wave roll away from the 2A, rise up over his
> windscreen and IN THROUGH THE **OPEN** SUNROOF!
>
> I stopped to apologise, to offer him a lift and to rescue his vehicle
> (as I was already rescuing about 20 other people and being a ferry) but
> he said "no" and carried on trying to start the engine.
>
> His whole ignition system must have been submerged, never mind the air
> intake and exhaust. The lights were glowing brighly under about 1 foot
> of dirty water and I could see he was clearly up to his waist in water.
>
wonderful story - helping so many people across the water and what a silly
guy

"tommy" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
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> It must be three or more weeks ago I was driving my mother home via
Gomshall
> in the Guildford/Woking direction - just by the railway bridge there's a
> place that flood water always stands forcing most folks do drive really
> slowly
>
> My Mum (72 ) had terminal cancer yet some prat in a gold/ silver
Freelander
> drove through this little flood at 50/60 despite a 30MPH town limit
> I had been driving through it at 10/15 mph at most - this prat was
laughing
> and enjoying himself -(4x4 version of a 3 series BMW!!) - It blinded me
and
> despite braking / wipers on fast I drove into the bridge
> Just thought you'd like to know she went downhill really quickly and died
> within a week despite a 4/6 month forecast by the Doctors
> God Bless you Bastard!!! - you never braked and you never stopped!
> I hope you know the pain I feel
>
I can't believe all the reactions to this. I do understand how you felt
then and he had to slow down to avoid any problems for anybody else.

Did you know why the Chinese (asian/oriental) wear a mask when they are
ill? Its because they care about people they don't know and probab;y will
never meet BUT don't want to share their illness with - the well mannered
pigs known as the British cannot even put their hands up to their face when
they cough

"paul / corine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "tommy" <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
> news:[email protected]...
> > It must be three or more weeks ago I was driving my mother home via
> Gomshall
> > in the Guildford/Woking direction - just by the railway bridge there's a
> > place that flood water always stands forcing most folks do drive really
> > slowly
> >
> > My Mum (72 ) had terminal cancer yet some prat in a gold/ silver
> Freelander
> > drove through this little flood at 50/60 despite a 30MPH town limit
> > I had been driving through it at 10/15 mph at most - this prat was
> laughing
> > and enjoying himself -(4x4 version of a 3 series BMW!!) - It blinded me
> and
> > despite braking / wipers on fast I drove into the bridge
> > Just thought you'd like to know she went downhill really quickly and
died
> > within a week despite a 4/6 month forecast by the Doctors
> > God Bless you Bastard!!! - you never braked and you never stopped!
> > I hope you know the pain I feel
> >
> I can't believe all the reactions to this. I do understand how you felt
> then and he had to slow down to avoid any problems for anybody else.
>
>