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Robbo5833 said:
Strangely enough I don't know or care if there's a belt or chain on this type of engine, (its a range rover, therefore I'm not interested) but what I was trying to do (like some others) is help and point the original poster in a direction which might of helped him. Maybe if the rivet counters like yourself had come along sooner you could have explained to him that his auto had just stalled.

Forum going downhill? What where the less knowledgable could learn from shared information and experience? That's terrible that is
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Nope, it's a BMW, wearing different clothes. And the M62 motor is pretty damn bullet-proof if looked after, like all BMW motors...
 
I'm assuming petrol v8, stalled immediately after startup for whatever reason, engine cold, spins like no compression!
Er, flooded!!! If you'd put your foot flat to the floor when cranking it'd most likely have started or removed the fuel pump fuse and done the same......
 
fett said:
Ha ha lol , rivit counter who knows that a starter is not connected to the engine via a belt. Yes mate well done- keep up the good work :D

Im just off to turn the bottom half of my engine but not the top- I hope I dont hit any valves at all :hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi :hysterically_laughi
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Your confusing me with the original poster, he's the one who was worried his elastic band has snapped, I tried putting it in simple terms to help him.

As I go out on a fair few breakdowns, 38 in 3 days last week I have to deal with all sorts, from the mechanically inclined, to the dumb ass. All I did was put it into simple terms. Which was more constructive than yours
 
Robbo5833 said:
Your confusing me with the original poster, he's the one who was worried his elastic band has snapped, I tried putting it in simple terms to help him.

As I go out on a fair few breakdowns, 38 in 3 days last week I have to deal with all sorts, from the mechanically inclined, to the dumb ass. All I did was put it into simple terms. Which was more constructive than yours
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To be honest it was your "but what could be happening is that the bottom half of the engine is turning over without the top " that got me.
what breakdowns do you go on normally? pedal cars? PMSL :hysterically_laughi
 
fett said:
To be honest it was your "but what could be happening is that the bottom half of the engine is turning over without the top " that got me.
what breakdowns do you go on normally? pedal cars? PMSL :hysterically_laughi
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not so funny - quite easily the crank and pistons could be turning over, but the cam and valves not moving, unless its gear driven....

Wheres the Crank?
Wheres the valves?
 
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fett said:
To be honest it was your "but what could be happening is that the bottom half of the engine is turning over without the top " that got me.
what breakdowns do you go on normally? pedal cars? PMSL :hysterically_laughi
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Perfectly reasonable statement,I have explained to owners of "Interference" engines when its gone wrong that its a bit like a WW1 fighter plane when the gun shoots through the propeller - at slightly the wrong time....
 
The Mad Hat Man said:
not so funny - quite easily the crank and pistons could be turning over, but the cam and valves not moving, unless its gear driven....

Wheres the Crank?
Wheres the valves?
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yes me old mate but at least one of the 32 valves would be open to hit a piston and stop the bottom end turning over on the starter.

when my mates megan snapped the cambelt the thing wouldnt turn lol
 
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Clarky130 said:
It is mine... And I've had many BMWs.

Don't confuse the engines themselves with the crap (including ancillaries) that LR bolt to them... ;)
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Like the crappy underspecified GM transmissions BMW forced on LR - along with their noisy underpowered diesel engine - until Ford saw fit to put something decent under the bonnet?
 
Clarky130 said:
It is mine... And I've had many BMWs.

Don't confuse the engines themselves with the crap (including ancillaries) that LR bolt to them... ;)
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I can never understand the mentality of "German engineering is best" If BMW engines were half as good as Sthil chainsaws used to be then LR would have done alot better with them.
I dont normally give specific examples,but the TD6 L322 that took 3 engines,two gearboxes and two turbo's to get to 120,000m sprang to mind.(And yes,it was looked after properly.)
Also one saturday morning I was chatting to a bloke at LR tech support who admitted to me how disappointed he was at the number of 4.4V8's that LR were having to replace under warranty.
 
eightinavee said:
I can never understand the mentality of "German engineering is best" If BMW engines were half as good as Sthil chainsaws used to be then LR would have done alot better with them.
I dont normally give specific examples,but the TD6 L322 that took 3 engines,two gearboxes and two turbo's to get to 120,000m sprang to mind.(And yes,it was looked after properly.)
Also one saturday morning I was chatting to a bloke at LR tech support who admitted to me how disappointed he was at the number of 4.4V8's that LR were having to replace under warranty.
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What kills them are LR's crap cooling systems, and LRs general shoddy engineering. The same engines do not present half as much trouble when installed in BMWs, something that has always puzzled me!
 
problem with the m62 are the single row timing chains and the guides, they arnt up to the job and fail at higher miles particuarly if the oil changes are neglected. the m60 is much better as it has duplex double row timing chains. it also doesnt go through headgaskets like the m62 seems to , although even that isnt very often compared to rv8 :p

I have to agree with clarkey, (didnt ever see that coming :D ) the bmw engines themsleves are normally pretty good- the landrover placement may not be
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
Like the crappy underspecified GM transmissions BMW forced on LR - along with their noisy underpowered diesel engine - until Ford saw fit to put something decent under the bonnet?
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I think that's a bit unfair. It should be viewed in the context of the time. Early to mid 90's DERV was cheap against petrol and the RR option was a petrol V8.

The P38 diesel was aimed at Mr & Mrs ffarty-Landowner. Mr could run over some rough ground to shout at the peasants and Mrs could move the gigis upwind of their droppings. They could then pop into the county town for G&Ts. It was, and remains, fine for this.

I love mine but it really is a heap of ****. There is very little stowage space (s'pose I should have a trailer or horsebox), it's electronics make it useless as a go-anywhere vehicle, it's good bits all go wrong --- but but but, as many have said, every time I get into it and drive off, I smile.

A mile later I do a sharp right and get an ABS fault! Nothing wrong with it really, just too much wiring.

I will be its last owner.

G~
 
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