Disco 3 (LR3) Rear suspension upper wishbone bolt removal

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gstuart said:
Great it’s coming along, keep up the good work buddy

Another way to line the struts up is let some air out of that strut , can then with a scissor jack underneath the bottom of the strut can jack it up to the wishbone

Also know that the super pro bushes are better , there has been reports of the poly bushes snapping arms

Did they send u the wrong bolt for that wishbone , haven’t seen them too long yet, wonder if someone had fitted it the wrong way round, unless I’m thinking of something else

Know there’s a 5mm difference between those lower bolts, M16 x 115mm and M16 x 120mm

Shock absorber is M16 x 225mm

Doing a top job there mate as I know what a sod it is

Look forward to some more piccies plse

Enclosed a few pics as I didn’t think it could happen but alas it does

Super pro bushes mimic the rubber bushes and settle down

The poly bushes are very hard which from what I’ve read give a hard ride , maybe because they don’t allow any give is why they snap the arms

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The aftermarket bolt was 115mm thread length but the heaxgon end was an extra 25mm making it approx 140mm long. The original bolt that came out had no hexagon so I just cut it off at the end of the thread. Only realised after inserting the bolt and found it had gone more difficult to turn and there was a gap of about 15mm between the bolt head and the mounting bracket.
The bolts come as a set, per side, a set for the upper arm and a set for the lower from Island 4 x 4
Regarding the Polybushes, I have fitted them over the years to a Rangie Classic, Disco 1, Rangie P38, and Freelander 1 without any problems. I go for the "Comfort" grade.
Looking at the pic of the broken arm, I suspect the boss to which it was fitted was badly corroded at the bush boss(es), including the weld between the arm and the boss.
I depressurised the air suspension with diagnostics before starting the job....that was the easy part lol !!!
Sunny here today so hopefully get the other side to the same state.
Will have to brush upon how to download pic's to the site
 
Irishrover said:
The aftermarket bolt was 115mm thread length but the heaxgon end was an extra 25mm making it approx 140mm long. The original bolt that came out had no hexagon so I just cut it off at the end of the thread. Only realised after inserting the bolt and found it had gone more difficult to turn and there was a gap of about 15mm between the bolt head and the mounting bracket.
The bolts come as a set, per side, a set for the upper arm and a set for the lower from Island 4 x 4
Regarding the Polybushes, I have fitted them over the years to a Rangie Classic, Disco 1, Rangie P38, and Freelander 1 without any problems. I go for the "Comfort" grade.
Looking at the pic of the broken arm, I suspect the boss to which it was fitted was badly corroded at the bush boss(es), including the weld between the arm and the boss.
I depressurised the air suspension with diagnostics before starting the job....that was the easy part lol !!!
Sunny here today so hopefully get the other side to the same state.
Will have to brush upon how to download pic's to the site
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Thks buddy , please don’t ever think I’m telling u how to suck eggs and ask out of great respect , would be mortified if ever any of my questions came across as disrespectful,

Think ur right ref the poly bushes onto a rusty arm as the wishbones aren't exactly light duty

Goes without question if I can ever be of help am always here , I can normally find further info if needed

Plus know there’s always plenty here to also help

Hope today goes well buddy
 
gstuart said:
Thks buddy , please don’t ever think I’m telling u how to suck eggs and ask out of great respect , would be mortified if ever any of my questions came across as disrespectful,

Think ur right ref the poly bushes onto a rusty arm as the wishbones aren't exactly light duty

Goes without question if I can ever be of help am always here , I can normally find further info if needed

Plus know there’s always plenty here to also
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No way I would even think like that Bud...Always open to any comments or input, that,s the whole idea of this forum.:)
Er Indoors needed some shopping so the schedule is running late today :eek:
Must get the N/S arms on this afternoon then busy day again tomorrow with the swivels, handbrake, brake bleed-may as well change the fluid at the same time and of course torque everything up.
We have a spare car so being without the Disco isn't really an issue, it's just that the weather is forecast to turn later this week/early next week and working in between showers is a right pain.
 
Irishrover said:
No way I would even think like that Bud...Always open to any comments or input, that,s the whole idea of this forum.:)
Er Indoors needed some shopping so the schedule is running late today :eek:
Must get the N/S arms on this afternoon then busy day again tomorrow with the swivels, handbrake, brake bleed-may as well change the fluid at the same time and of course torque everything up.
We have a spare car so being without the Disco isn't really an issue, it's just that the weather is forecast to turn later this week/early next week and working in between showers is a right pain.
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Thks buddy , never thought u would but u know me I always worry in case any of my replies ever came across like that

I bet ur notice the world of difference once the suspension is done

Ref bleeding the brakes u did have a gap iid didn’t u, only reason I say is u need a diagnostic reader if u allow the abs unit to empty

Bleed Sequence is, as u sit in the disco , rear left , rear right, front left , front right

Preloading before u nip up the bolts I jacked the wishbone up, from the centre of the wheel to the bottom of the wheel arch,
Fronts 465mm
Rears 485mm

Just be very careful as u jack it up u don’t lift it off ur axle stands

Hope that helps buddy

Ps, I got one of those pop up gazebos, fantastic to keep u dry when u just wish to get on without worrying about the rain
 
Hope you copperslipped the bolts... Great job done, well done mate, and thanks for the info, (not that I have an LR3)

@gstuart, WHERE do you get the pop up gazebo that fits a disco? I've been looking for one for ages!!!!
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Hope you copperslipped the bolts... Great job done, well done mate, and thanks for the info, (not that I have an LR3)

@gstuart, WHERE do you get the pop up gazebo that fits a disco? I've been looking for one for ages!!!!
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Hi

This is something like I’ve got , I’ll check the label to double check for u , its 6x3 m , know the one I’ve got is ok for height , will try and find the link for u

Hope that at least gives u an idea of what around , what size have u been looking at plse, for a d2 or d3 plse as I also saw some on special offer

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Waterpro...hash=item41e5e3f52d:m:mRPsjt0GTp008UbuZXOCIdg

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D2, and thanks a lot for going to this amount of trouble. Stupidly have a 1980s house with too small an entrance to get the Disco in. In France we have yet to build a garage so this is exactly why I need two of these. One to keep the rain off me in the UK and another to keep the sun off in France!
I'll certainly have a good look. I know that mobile mechanics use these a lot in London, and of course rally crews use this sort of thing in the pits, but they pay the earth for theirs.
 
Stanleysteamer said:
D2, and thanks a lot for going to this amount of trouble. Stupidly have a 1980s house with too small an entrance to get the Disco in. In France we have yet to build a garage so this is exactly why I need two of these. One to keep the rain off me in the UK and another to keep the sun off in France!
I'll certainly have a good look. I know that mobile mechanics use these a lot in London, and of course rally crews use this sort of thing in the pits, but they pay the earth for theirs.
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Always happy to help where I can, would adore a garage but luckily have a hard standing on the front of my house , so ideal being able to use the gazebo

Can pick them up for around £100-130 , wish to get another smaller one as in the afternoon the sun comes onto the front of the house , have used a garden large umbrella to keep the sun off, nothing worse feeling the back of ur neck cooking away, lol
 
gstuart said:
Always happy to help where I can, would adore a garage but luckily have a hard standing on the front of my house , so ideal being able to use the gazebo

Can pick them up for around £100-130 , wish to get another smaller one as in the afternoon the sun comes onto the front of the house , have used a garden large umbrella to keep the sun off, nothing worse feeling the back of ur neck cooking away, lol
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Right, got it, the ones in the ad seems to be made up of two smaller ones, sort of stuck together. Is that what you've got? I notice they do a "wind bar" do you bother? We have a tremendous wind blows where we live in France one of the sort they give a name to, the "Vent d'Autan", which blows like mad for 3 days. We normally get a warning but it is as well to think about this. I think I'll order it once we get to France otherwise I'll only have to lug it over there.
Thanks again, Mate!
 
UPDATE
Hi Guys....Alright for some to have a day off !!! :p
Parking Brake back plates came this morning so round the garage to finally be able to press the wheel hubs into the swivel.
Fitted the swivel to the Offside first then jacked the suspension up to 485mm from driveshaft centre line to wheel arch ready to torque all arm bushings etc. up. Unlike me, I did the easily accessible ones first :mad:, usually I always do the hard bit first then everything else is (Usuallly !) easy. Came to the PITA :eek: Upper rear bush and with the suspension arms lifted higher spanner access and movement was, to say the least, limited and there is no way that I could get any of my Torque wrenches on the bush bolt which needs to be at 200 ft.lbs. Time for a rethink. The nut which has a retaining "leg" attached to prevent it from turning, looked more accessible than the bolt heads. I decided to remove the special nut and replace it with a spare M16 high tensile flanged nut similar to those in the replacement bolt kits. This was more accessible with a 24mm combi spanner through the space by the air suspension strut and had a fair amount of spanner movement. Next thing was how to get 200 ft.lbs with a spanner approx. 14" long ? Time for drastic measures...angle grinder out (again) and cut the open end of the spanner off. Put a 21mm combi spanner ring end on the bolt head and with the modified 24mm ring end on the nut and a 3 ft. plus steel tube on that, managed to get somewhere near the 200 ft.lbs mark, plus or minus a bit-it's definitely tight !!
That done, polished the bore of the Offside Cailiper and fitted a new piston & seals etc, Reassembled the Parking brake shoes etc. and adjusted, fitted the refurb'd caliper and brake pads. That is the Offside done apart from tightening the drive shaft nut and bleeding the hydraulics.
I then fitted the N/S swivel, changed the nut on the top rear PITA bush to the same as done earlier on the other side. Fitted the Toe and ARB links. Jacked the suspension on the N/S up to the 485mm in readiness for a further bash tomorrow.
As is the case with owning a Landy....Always expect the unexpected LOL !!!:eek::D
More to follow.
As previously mentioned, any info regarding uploading pic's ( I have quite a few) would be appreciated :cool:
 
gstuart said:
Thks buddy , never thought u would but u know me I always worry in case any of my replies ever came across like that

I bet ur notice the world of difference once the suspension is done

Ref bleeding the brakes u did have a gap iid didn’t u, only reason I say is u need a diagnostic reader if u allow the abs unit to empty

Bleed Sequence is, as u sit in the disco , rear left , rear right, front left , front right

Preloading before u nip up the bolts I jacked the wishbone up, from the centre of the wheel to the bottom of the wheel arch,
Fronts 465mm
Rears 485mm

Just be very careful as u jack it up u don’t lift it off ur axle stands

Hope that helps buddy

Ps, I got one of those pop up gazebos, fantastic to keep u dry when u just wish to get on without worrying about the rain
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Like the idea of a gazebo as North Wales is well known for the changeable weather !!

I have a pressure bleeder and whilst I have to do the rears where I serviced the calipers and replaced flexy & solid brake lines, I thought it a good idea to flush and bleed all round as I have almost a full 5Ltr of Pagid DOT 4 which I may as well make use of, plus I don't know if/when the fluid was last replaced.
Yes, I have diagnostics...Lynx Discovery and JLR SDD (Dealer Level) v.131 with Mongoose interface.
Hopefully, I am on the back straight now...just hope the weather holds out for the next couple of days
 
I like the idea of a gazebo as well. One problem for me though is that the flat part of our drive is the lowest point and some of the awful weather we had a month ago while changing the clutch on our D2 caused water to accumulate under the car. Normal rain a gazebo would be great for me.
 
brianconwy said:
I like the idea of a gazebo as well. One problem for me though is that the flat part of our drive is the lowest point and some of the awful weather we had a month ago while changing the clutch on our D2 caused water to accumulate under the car. Normal rain a gazebo would be great for me.
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Hi

Ref the water , in the past I’ve used these before to get the vehicle out of water , just driving the vehicle onto them, have laid down scaffold boards as extra strength because we all know these discos are heavy lumps

https://www.onegarden.co.uk/accesso...ases?msclkid=eb9d9c12d2b41eef6146c0d2f742feaa

Just an idea ;)

Ps, used them for my shed and found them brilliant
 
brianconwy said:
Look just the job but not cheap. Is it only Landy owners that need to have this stuff? lol.
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Lol, indeed know there not cheap but got them seeing a 3 ton lump will be on them and will last

Wondered about pallets but that worried me of them deteriorating over time so at least these would be ok and rated

Of there’s always a car sleeper to lay on to keep u out the water, lol

Am lucky with my current drive as it is block paving and has proper drainage so water doesn’t pool
 
Could have done with one this afternoon :eek: !!
Got stuck in this morning, all the nearside bolts Torqued up , Parking Brake shoes refitted & adjusted, refurbed caliper & pads fitted.
All set to bleed the brakes and change the brake fluid and it started pi**ing down rain. Not looking very good here over the next few days either but hopefully will be ready to go if there appears to a decent break in the weather.
Really could do with getting the rear brakes back in operation so that I can torque the driveshaft nut up. As both (Sides) rear brake hoses are currently clamped, in theory I should just need to bleed the rears.
Tried the EPB and that seems to be working o.k.
 
Almost Done...
Rear calipers bled and flushed with new fluid then rain stopped play for an hour :eek:. When the rain stopped, I did the front's, the old fluid was a lot darker than the new stuff (Pagid DOT 4). On to the next job which was to torque the driveshaft nuts and stake them, decided to see how the EPB was performing and with the EPB applied it held the hubs whilst I gave the nuts their 250 ft.lbs. which I feel is good. Bolted the Air suspension bracket up and fitted the covers then it rained again:eek:. Finally fitted the spare wheel skirt and spare followed by the rear wheels.
Phoned a local garage that has Hunter 4 wheel alignment gear and they can fit me in tomorrow at 10.00. I have put the suspension in Tight Tolerance mode in readiness........ then hopefully I can say "Job Done"
 
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