Rear brake shoe holding pins

Skinny Mike said:

Not really. Patience and lots of it with a flat blade screw driver and a pair of long nose pliers.
If your hands are shaking, take a break, and come back later.
Sending good vibes
Mike

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Nodge68 said:

There's a knack to fitting them. It's easy once you learn the knack. I just hold the pin from behind, then use a large screwdriver to press the spring flat, before sliding it under the little pips.

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guineafowl21 said:

Are they the type that twist to lock in place or just a tab that you fit the spring under?

For the first type, hold the pin from behind and slip a pair of pliers over the other end. Use the nose of the pliers to squeeze the spring, then close the jaws and twist the pin into place.

Second type, hold the pin as before and work the spring under the tab at a slight angle. Use a big flat screwdriver to simultaneously compress the spring and direct it fully under the tab by hammering it with the flat of your hand.

Are you sure the pins and shoes are seated correctly? Are they the right type? I’ve had some struggles with shoe retainers but never what you’re experiencing.

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guineafowl21 said:

Are they the type that twist to lock in place or just a tab that you fit the spring under?

For the first type, hold the pin from behind and slip a pair of pliers over the other end. Use the nose of the pliers to squeeze the spring, then close the jaws and twist the pin into place.

Second type, hold the pin as before and work the spring under the tab at a slight angle. Use a big flat screwdriver to simultaneously compress the spring and direct it fully under the tab by hammering it with the flat of your hand.

Are you sure the pins and shoes are seated correctly? Are they the right type? I’ve had some struggles with shoe retainers but never what you’re experiencing.

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Old diver said:

Landrover shoes, Landrover pins and spring clips. To be honest, these pins and clips will never fit, the head of the pin is slightly lower than the facing. I have just watched a guy on Utube with the same problem and he used bolts, nuts, and loctite,

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Nodge68 said:

The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271


They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling IIRC.

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Nodge68 said:

The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271


They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling or maybe it's Lucas.

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Nodge68 said:

The pin is the mushroom top type. The spring clips simply slide underneath the head. Here's mine I replaced when servicing the rear brakes for the MOT last September. View attachment 145271


They use springs for a reason. It's not an LR assembly, it's supplied by Girling or maybe it's Lucas.

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guineafowl21 said:

Yes, same as the ones on mine.

@Old diver I can’t recommend nuts and bolts, but I have seen it done. What if your shoes jam on? What if they come loose?

A few possibilities, not knowing your experience level:

1. Are the pins in the correct holes? Backplates often have extra holes to confuse you.
2. Is there rust stopping the pins from seating? Are the backplates bent?
3. Are the shoes seated on the backplate bosses? Are they the correct ones?
4. Do the pins match the old ones? I think FL brakes were re-jigged around 2001. You might have been given the wrong bits.

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td4van said:

what age is your car? Have you got the right shoes for the age of the car?

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Old diver said:

2006 TD4, definitely the right shoes. I rate changing the rear brake shoes as a two/three hour job, it's been on an axle stand three days now. Going SORN tomorrow, save on road tax and insurance, then it will be bodge and flog. Going back to Honda. Pity as the car has never let me down, it's just that every mini job ends up a bleeding expensive marathon.

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guineafowl21 said:

Going back to Jap cars to avoid expensive marathons?! Good God.

Some of the parts you have bought don’t fit. Either the pins are too short, or the shoes are wrong - it’s no good telling us the pins match AND the shoes are definitely right. Your experience tells us one of those is incorrect.

Sleep on it, compare pins again and check the shoes match the old ones - carefully. It’ll be something simple and silly.

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Old diver said:

Checked new pins with a micrometer, exactly same length and diameter as the old ones. Compared the shoes with the old ones, apart from the wear, they are the same, checked the part Nos. they are right. The back of the pin holes rubbed down to bare metal and greased. Back plate is not bent or out of line, totally stumped?

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