Re: The Ultimate SUV - an Amphib 4X4 MOD JEEP

On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
(Halcitron) wrote:

|http://www.prweb.com/releases/2002/8/prweb44515.htm
|
|The Ultimate SUV - an Amphibious Four Wheel Drive!
| Every now and then, we run across interesting outdoor products that we've
|just got to tell others about. Perhaps a few adventurers would like to
|participate in the 'launch' of an exciting new amphibious vehicle based on the
|Jeep Wrangler. Built in China, this vehicle is less expensive than a Hummer yet
|capable of far more extensive off-road travel, Amphi-4wd is built from your
|donor Jeep.
|
|Irvine, CA – August 20, 2002 – Looking for the ultimate off road vehicle?
|It may just be an amphibious SUV, according to earthwheels.com founder Chris
|Dufault. Mr. Dufault is working with a Chinese company to convert American Jeep
|Wranglers for onshore and offshore use.
|
|The Amphi4WD combines the rugged off road capability and creature comforts of
|the Jeep, with a strong corrosion resistant stainless steel hull and propeller
|drive. The conversion company currently modifies the Beijing Jeep for
|amphibious use by the Chinese military. The company is now planning to convert
|the US Jeep for a few lucky adventurers.
|
|The conversion will maintain all of the structural integrity, safety and
|emissions equipment of the Jeep and will comply with US standards. The
|conversions will be performed in China on privately owned US vehicles.
|Including transportation time, the conversion should take six months and cost
|just short of $20,000 plus the cost of the donor Jeep.
|
|earthwheels.com is a startup recreational product innovator. The proposed
|product line also includes the FOLD-N-ROLL – the first garage-able,
|self-contained, solid-walled travel trailer designed for 6-cylinder
|front-wheel-drive minivans.
|
|If you are a free spirit looking for the most unique vehicle afloat – go to
|www.earthwheels.com. Click on Amphibian to check out the amphibious 4WD and get
|on the waiting list. The company hopes to clear remaining engineering and
|regulatory hurdles by the end of the year.
|
|For more information, visit http://www.earthwheels.com or contact earthwheels
|founder, Chris Dufault, at 949.679.1056 at [email protected].
|
|
|caveat lector
|
|Halcitron misc.survivalism alt.california
|Check your six and know when to duck.
|NRA Member since 2002
|The Law of the Land, is the weapon in your hand.
|
|Smith & Wesson starts where the Bill of Rights stop.

And here I thought that the Unimog was the ultimate 4x4!!!

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
<[email protected]> said:

>On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
>(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>|http://www.prweb.com/releases/2002/8/prweb44515.htm
>|
>|The Ultimate SUV - an Amphibious Four Wheel Drive!
>| Every now and then, we run across interesting outdoor products that we've
>|just got to tell others about. Perhaps a few adventurers would like to
>|participate in the 'launch' of an exciting new amphibious vehicle based on the
>|Jeep Wrangler. Built in China, this vehicle is less expensive than a Hummer yet
>|capable of far more extensive off-road travel, Amphi-4wd is built from your
>|donor Jeep.
>|
I never thought I'd see the day when custom auto work would be
outsourced.

Whats next, take your car nto jiffy lube for an oil change and they
ship it to mexico to have the work done, then ship it back ?

People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
overseas.

"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
: <[email protected]> said:
:
: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
: >(Halcitron) wrote:

:
: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
: overseas.
:
:

That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line of
crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S. with
pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
the U.S. for $26,000.

When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: <[email protected]> said:
>:
>: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
>: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>:
>: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: overseas.
>:
>:
>
>That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line of
>crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S. with
>pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>the U.S. for $26,000.
>
>When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?

If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
about the people who don't work for wages?

My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.

--
Robert Sturgeon,
proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
and the evil gun culture.

"Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: >
: >"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: >news:[email protected]...
: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
: >: <[email protected]> said:
: >:
: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
: >
: >:
: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
: >: overseas.
: >:
: >:
: >
: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
of
: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
with
: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
: >the U.S. for $26,000.
: >
: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
:
: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
: about the people who don't work for wages?
:
: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
:
: --
: Robert Sturgeon,
: proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
: and the evil gun culture.

Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of course we can
continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple. BTW, true to
your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

In message <[email protected]>, R. David Steele
<[email protected]> writes

>And here I thought that the Unimog was the ultimate 4x4!!!

But there's already one converted on a RR

--
Graham Jones

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
<[email protected]> said:

>
>"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: <[email protected]> said:
>:
>: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
>: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>:
>: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: overseas.
>:
>:
>
>That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line of
>crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S. with
>pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>the U.S. for $26,000.
>
>When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>
Dude, you are missing my point. For example; a telemarketeer is simply
not worth 15 bucks an hour to harrass people on the phone. If they
work for what the job is worth (say maybe 6 bucks an hour), you would
see less telemarketing jobs moving overseas. Why pay an IT 150,000
bucks a year when the job is worth maybe 25,000 bucks a year, see
folks expect to be payed far more than they are worth. I call it
greed. A company cannot payout more then it brings in... simple
economics. People need to stop living life styles they simply cannot
afford, I blame that on credit cards, but thats a whole nother can of
worms.

North.

"Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> : On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> : <[email protected]> wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : >news:[email protected]...
> : >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
> : >: <[email protected]> said:
> : >:
> : >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
> : >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
> : >
> : >:
> : >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
> : >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
> : >: overseas.
> : >:
> : >:
> : >
> : >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
> of
> : >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
> with
> : >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
> : >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
> : >the U.S. for $26,000.
> : >
> : >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
> : >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
> :
> : If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
> : will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
> : possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
> : about the people who don't work for wages?
> :
> : My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
> : running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
> :
> : --
> : Robert Sturgeon,
> : proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
> : and the evil gun culture.
>
> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
> very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
> vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of course we can
> continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
> history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
> membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple. BTW, true
to
> your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
> corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
> sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a lifestyle
level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a nominal %age each
year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate America and the US people
expect too much..

Mike Hall wrote:
> "Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:vsqNb.5605$A74.3888@fed1read02...
>>
>> "Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>>>>> <[email protected]> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
>>>>>> (Halcitron) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
>>>>> job that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs
>>>>> are going overseas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
>>>> line of crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made
>>>> in the U.S. with pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to
>>>> Mexico where the labor costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford
>>>> sells the outsourced truck in the U.S. for $26,000.
>>>>
>>>> When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
>>>> wet dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>>>
>>> If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>>> will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>>> possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>>> about the people who don't work for wages?
>>>
>>> My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>>> running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert Sturgeon,
>>> proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
>>> and the evil gun culture.
>>
>> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid,
>> it's a very real possibility that we might end up not being able to
>> buy $26,000 vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of
>> course we can continue racking up personal debt at a rate never
>> before seen in the history of this country. Your simplistic denial
>> of reality affirms your membership in the vast reich wing club of
>> unthinking sheeple. BTW, true to your ilk's fashion, I notice you
>> neatly sidestepped my point about corporate amerika pocketing the
>> savings in exporting jobs to third world sweatshops. Jesus, you make
>> Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
>
> Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
> lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
> nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
> America and the US people expect too much..

They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the world
economy will continue to support those expectations is another matter
entirely.

--
Julian
---------
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
>: <[email protected]> wrote:
>: >
>: >"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>: >news:[email protected]...
>: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
>: >: <[email protected]> said:
>: >:
>: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
>: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
>
>: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a job
>: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are going
>: >: overseas.
>: >
>: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that line
>of
>: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
>with
>: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the labor
>: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck in
>: >the U.S. for $26,000.
>: >
>: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican wet
>: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
>:
>: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
>: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
>: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
>: about the people who don't work for wages?
>:
>: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
>: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
>
>Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
>very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
>vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.

Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
source?

But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
Problem solved.

> Of course we can
>continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
>history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
>membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.

Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
your own prejudices.

> BTW, true to
>your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
>corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
>sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.

Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
savings to the people who used to cost you more?

--
Robert Sturgeon,
proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
and the evil gun culture.

"Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:30:42 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: <[email protected]> wrote:
:
: >
: >"Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: >news:[email protected]...
: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
: >: <[email protected]> wrote:
: >: >
: >: >"North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: >: >news:[email protected]...
: >: >: On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
: >: >: <[email protected]> said:
: >: >:
: >: >: >On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
: >: >: >(Halcitron) wrote:
: >
: >: >: People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
job
: >: >: that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs are
going
: >: >: overseas.
: >: >
: >: >That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
line
: >of
: >: >crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made in the U.S.
: >with
: >: >pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to Mexico where the
labor
: >: >costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford sells the outsourced truck
in
: >: >the U.S. for $26,000.
: >: >
: >: >When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
wet
: >: >dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
: >:
: >: If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
: >: will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
: >: possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
: >: about the people who don't work for wages?
: >:
: >: My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
: >: running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
: >
: >Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid, it's a
: >very real possibility that we might end up not being able to buy $26,000
: >vehicles at the rate household income is dropping.
:
: Show us your figures and sources for this falling household
: income. Do you have any? You know, like from some credible
: source?
:
: But if household income does fall, then we won't be buying
: those vehicles, will we? No money; no $26,000 vehicles.
: Problem solved.
:
: > Of course we can
: >continue racking up personal debt at a rate never before seen in the
: >history of this country. Your simplistic denial of reality affirms your
: >membership in the vast reich wing club of unthinking sheeple.
:
: Which reality have I denied? Yours? You make claims and
: deliver personal attacks, both without any basis other than
: your own prejudices.
:
: > BTW, true to
: >your ilk's fashion, I notice you neatly sidestepped my point about
: >corporate amerika pocketing the savings in exporting jobs to third world
: >sweatshops. Jesus, you make Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
:
: Of course American corporations pocket their savings. What
: do you expect? Don't you pocket your savings when you find
: a cheaper way to get something done? Or do you donate your
: savings to the people who used to cost you more?
:
: --
: Robert Sturgeon,
: proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
: and the evil gun culture.

No, you are only a member of the vast and sweeping group of amerikan
sheeple known as "morons." I am sure everyone who reads your semi-literate
scratchings will appreciate your embracing of the decline of this nation
into a third world country. By the way, the good news is that the NRA is
nearly bankrupt. What happened? Did they spend all their money on a face
lift for Charlatan Heston or bail money to get a terrorist like Grover
Norquist out of jail?

The site is gone.. the web address is available to purchase and it
appears it has died a fast death :-(

"Exit" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...
> Mike Hall wrote:
> > "Ben Dover" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:vsqNb.5605$A74.3888@fed1read02...
> >>
> >> "Robert Sturgeon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:08:34 -0700, "Ben Dover"
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "North" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>> news:[email protected]...
> >>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:22:02 GMT, R. David Steele
> >>>>> <[email protected]> said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 09 Jan 2004 12:53:54 GMT, [email protected]atespam
> >>>>>> (Halcitron) wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People here need to quit expecting to earn 20 bucks an hour for a
> >>>>> job that is only worth 10 bucks an hour, no wonder all the jobs
> >>>>> are going overseas.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That's pure horse****; you are part of the problem if you buy that
> >>>> line of crap. Example: Ford sells a truck for $25,000. It is made
> >>>> in the U.S. with pricey union labor. Ford outsources the truck to
> >>>> Mexico where the labor costs are about 25% of the U.S. rate. Ford
> >>>> sells the outsourced truck in the U.S. for $26,000.
> >>>>
> >>>> When everyone is finally reduced to Wart Mart wages (a Rethuglican
> >>>> wet dream) who will be buying the $26,000 vehicle?
> >>>
> >>> If everyone is finally reduced to Wal*Mart wages, no one
> >>> will be buying $26,000 vehicles. Do you really think it's
> >>> possible to reduce everyone to Wal*Mart wages? How? What
> >>> about the people who don't work for wages?
> >>>
> >>> My best guess is that Ford is not faced with the prospect of
> >>> running out of customers for their $26,000 vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Robert Sturgeon,
> >>> proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy
> >>> and the evil gun culture.
> >>
> >> Well take a look at wage growth, or lack thereof. Yes, quiz kid,
> >> it's a very real possibility that we might end up not being able to
> >> buy $26,000 vehicles at the rate household income is dropping. Of
> >> course we can continue racking up personal debt at a rate never
> >> before seen in the history of this country. Your simplistic denial
> >> of reality affirms your membership in the vast reich wing club of
> >> unthinking sheeple. BTW, true to your ilk's fashion, I notice you
> >> neatly sidestepped my point about corporate amerika pocketing the
> >> savings in exporting jobs to third world sweatshops. Jesus, you make
> >> Stevie Wonder look like he has 20/20 vision.
> >
> > Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
> > lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
> > nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
> > America and the US people expect too much..
>
> They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the
world
> economy will continue to support those expectations is another matter
> entirely.
>
> --
> Julian
> ---------
> = Pretentious Sig required =
>
Exactly so, and it is not just a US thing.. the industrial boom after WWII
lasted long enough for people to get accustomed to an increase in the
standard of living each year, and learn to expect it.. after the western
economy started to drag its heels, Japan rose up.. now they have the same
problems as us.. cheaper manufacture is available in China and other third
world places and the Japanese are losing out too.. in time maybe, when we
are all poorly paid, the Chinese will send stuff back to us to make..

|> > Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
|> > lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
|> > nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
|> > America and the US people expect too much..
|>
|> They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the
|world economy will continue to support those expectations is another matter
|> entirely.
|>
|> --
|>
|Exactly so, and it is not just a US thing.. the industrial boom after WWII
|lasted long enough for people to get accustomed to an increase in the
|standard of living each year, and learn to expect it.. after the western
|economy started to drag its heels, Japan rose up.. now they have the same
|problems as us.. cheaper manufacture is available in China and other third
|world places and the Japanese are losing out too.. in time maybe, when we
|are all poorly paid, the Chinese will send stuff back to us to make..

What people want is a job, in manufacturing, that pays extremely
high wages yet requires no education and very little effort or
skill. Sorry but robots (factory automation) would be cheaper.
And it will be automatic factories that will be the future, not
India or China.

There are lots of skilled labor jobs out there. Even the Trade
Unions are having trouble recruiting enough people. No one wants
to be a plumber, sheet metal worker or such. And many of these
jobs require the applicant to be reasonably well educated. That
is basic high school math among other skills. With the
universities skimming off the top half of the kids, the rest are
just too stupid.

We always adapt. I really feel that we will see family
businesses replace the family farm. It has been a way of life in
Europe for years. The big companies are extremely poor at
meeting the needs of the people. And people want things that
often are not sold at Wal Mart or Lowes. And custom made
products. I do think we will see a return of craftsmen who make
unique, well made products. Like hand crafted rifles with lots
of custom work (engraving for example).

"R. David Steele" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> |> > Everbody is out to get the best deal possible while maintaining a
> |> > lifestyle level.. expectations are that lifestyle will improve by a
> |> > nominal %age each year, almost regarded as a right.. maybe corporate
> |> > America and the US people expect too much..
> |>
> |> They only expect what they have been brought up to expect. Whether the
> |world economy will continue to support those expectations is another
matter
> |> entirely.
> |>
> |> --
> |>
> |Exactly so, and it is not just a US thing.. the industrial boom after
WWII
> |lasted long enough for people to get accustomed to an increase in the
> |standard of living each year, and learn to expect it.. after the western
> |economy started to drag its heels, Japan rose up.. now they have the same
> |problems as us.. cheaper manufacture is available in China and other
third
> |world places and the Japanese are losing out too.. in time maybe, when we
> |are all poorly paid, the Chinese will send stuff back to us to make..
>
> What people want is a job, in manufacturing, that pays extremely
> high wages yet requires no education and very little effort or
> skill. Sorry but robots (factory automation) would be cheaper.
> And it will be automatic factories that will be the future, not
> India or China.
>
> There are lots of skilled labor jobs out there. Even the Trade
> Unions are having trouble recruiting enough people. No one wants
> to be a plumber, sheet metal worker or such. And many of these
> jobs require the applicant to be reasonably well educated. That
> is basic high school math among other skills. With the
> universities skimming off the top half of the kids, the rest are
> just too stupid.
>
> We always adapt. I really feel that we will see family
> businesses replace the family farm. It has been a way of life in
> Europe for years. The big companies are extremely poor at
> meeting the needs of the people. And people want things that
> often are not sold at Wal Mart or Lowes. And custom made
> products. I do think we will see a return of craftsmen who make
> unique, well made products. Like hand crafted rifles with lots
> of custom work (engraving for example).
>
Have you looked at the price of a pair of handcrafted, engraved 12 gauges
lately?.. could you afford them?.. why do you think that farmers like
pitchforks?..