Re: laws on storing fuel

On Friday, in article
<[email protected]>
mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk "Mr.Nice." wrote:

> can anyone give me a quick idiots guide on the laws on storing fuel?
> such as how much of what and where kinda thing.

Very quick and simple -- diesel and kerosene can be stored in bulk tanks
with no major hassles, and they're used as heating oils. These days,
for a new installation, there may be rather more hassle than in the
past; perhaps a bunded tank would be needed.

Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
litres for metal, and a screw top.

For diesel, the concerns seem to be about what happens if the tank
springs a leak, and it runs into drains and watercourses.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

Outdated and antiquated and I am sure honoured only in the breach these
days.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Friday, in article
> <[email protected]>
> mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk "Mr.Nice." wrote:
>
> Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> litres for metal, and a screw top.
>
> For diesel, the concerns seem to be about what happens if the tank
> springs a leak, and it runs into drains and watercourses.
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

So "David G. Bell" was, like

> Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> litres for metal, and a screw top.

So does this mean that the widely-available and widely-used 20L jerry cans
are illegal? If so, should someone warn Halfords, Paddocks, Craddocks etc.?

--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous

Richard Brookman wrote:

> So "David G. Bell" was, like
>
> > Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> > container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> > litres for metal, and a screw top.
>
> So does this mean that the widely-available and widely-used 20L jerry
> cans are illegal? If so, should someone warn Halfords, Paddocks,
> Craddocks etc.?

Not at all - they are fine for Diesel/water/milk etc - just not for
petrol.

On Saturday, in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
"Richard Brookman" wrote:

> So "David G. Bell" was, like
>
> > Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> > container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> > litres for metal, and a screw top.
>
> So does this mean that the widely-available and widely-used 20L jerry cans
> are illegal? If so, should someone warn Halfords, Paddocks, Craddocks etc.?

Such is my understanding.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

Storing fuel? I use a 45 gallon drum for diesel for the tractor.
Works pretty well.

What about agency cards? I keep getting calls asking if my
"company" would be interested in buying this way and how many
cards would I like?

To be honest, I hardly looked at it but the saving appeared to
be about 10p per litre from selected outlets. Presumably, there
is a catch.

Derry

On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:42:04 +0000 (GMT), David G. Bell wrote:

> Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> litres for metal, and a screw top.

Screw top is not a requirement but a vapour seal is, so a jerry can is
fine but not the 20l, only the 10l ones. For a a bit more detail on
petrol see:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/lau/lacs/65-9.htm

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Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] ("David G. Bell") wrote:

> > > Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> > > container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> > > litres for metal, and a screw top.
> >
> > So does this mean that the widely-available and widely-used 20L jerry cans
> > are illegal? If so, should someone warn Halfords, Paddocks, Craddocks etc.?
>
> Such is my understanding.

As I was filling up my 20l jerry can at the local BP garage the other
day, I read the sign which seemed to confirm it's not a legitimate fuel
holder. This does seem a bit odd, really. Never mind Halfords, who's
going to tell the army?

David

Well a law may be on the statute books, it does not mean it is ever
enforced, So will I be stopped for having a jerry can on the back of my
landie while some plod checks to see if it contains petrol or diesel (fire
brigade in attendance for safety of course)



--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"David French" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:david.french-A0D236.17591311122004@no-dns-yet-212-23-3-119.zen.co.uk...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
> > > > Petrol is a lot of hassle. Even small quantities must be kept in a
> > > > container of approved design -- 5 litre limit for plastic cans, 10
> > > > litres for metal, and a screw top.
> > >
> > > So does this mean that the widely-available and widely-used 20L jerry
cans
> > > are illegal? If so, should someone warn Halfords, Paddocks, Craddocks
etc.?
> >
> > Such is my understanding.
>
> As I was filling up my 20l jerry can at the local BP garage the other
> day, I read the sign which seemed to confirm it's not a legitimate fuel
> holder. This does seem a bit odd, really. Never mind Halfords, who's
> going to tell the army?
>
> David

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0000, Larry wrote:

> So will I be stopped for having a jerry can on the back of my
> landie while some plod checks to see if it contains petrol or diesel

Probably not stopped for that but if they stop you for something else
and start poking about it's something they could use. Note that the
laws regarding the carriage of fuel in a vehicle (not in the vehicles
fuel tank) are different to those relating to storage.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Well a law may be on the statute books, it does not mean it is ever
>enforced, So will I be stopped for having a jerry can on the back of my
>landie while some plod checks to see if it contains petrol or diesel (fire
>brigade in attendance for safety of course)

Having a petrol can on the back of a Land Rover is, IMHO, very
dangerous. More so for the poor sod who drives into the back of it(or
gets reversed into) than for the driver. Remember the Ford Pinto?


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

On Sunday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Tim Hobbs" wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Well a law may be on the statute books, it does not mean it is ever
> >enforced, So will I be stopped for having a jerry can on the back of my
> >landie while some plod checks to see if it contains petrol or diesel (fire
> >brigade in attendance for safety of course)
>
> Having a petrol can on the back of a Land Rover is, IMHO, very
> dangerous. More so for the poor sod who drives into the back of it(or
> gets reversed into) than for the driver. Remember the Ford Pinto?

Which had a badly placed fuel tank which would burst if shunted from the
rear, and Ford knew about it.

I'd agree about carrying cans of petrol. They should be secure and in a
protected place. Diesel is much less dangerous.

The Army used metal tags to label the contents, red for petrol and
yellow for DERV. One US supplier of new cans sells them painted in
those colours -- it's apparently some Federal specification.



--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

It will stop them tailgating, and anyway it is well above the bumper level
in a low level collision. besides if the bang is big enough its going to
rupture the main fuel tank anyway. I reckon there are a lot of cars with
very vulnerable tanks.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes




"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:03:45 -0000, "Larry" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Well a law may be on the statute books, it does not mean it is ever
> >enforced, So will I be stopped for having a jerry can on the back of my
> >landie while some plod checks to see if it contains petrol or diesel
(fire
> >brigade in attendance for safety of course)
>
> Having a petrol can on the back of a Land Rover is, IMHO, very
> dangerous. More so for the poor sod who drives into the back of it(or
> gets reversed into) than for the driver. Remember the Ford Pinto?
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
> '03 Volvo V70
>
> My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
> Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
> Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com