project "pile of poo" a miracle cure for overheating?

luckymark · May 16, 2013

having overheated my p38 and killed it in just 3 days, i'm now in the process of starting to fit my new engine from a beemer, but i keep thinking about what i can do to avoid the new one blowing up, i'm going to fit a new water pump,stat,rad cap, radiator, doing the cooling fan mods and any thing else i can think of to stop another disaster, whilst doing some research into something else on that old inter web thing i stumbled across this,Evans Waterless Engine Coolants it seems to good to be true, any body know if its worth investing in some?:hysterically_laughi

jacckk · May 16, 2013

Water works well enough in other peoples cars so I wouldn't bother. The water itself isn't the source of your overheating problem so I can't see what difference it's going to make.

rasheed · May 16, 2013

IMHO there are a few things on the p38 that are weirdly underspecc'ed. Maybe its LR's way of injecting personality! EAS compressor for one. Cooling system for another. Keep in mind they knew these cars would run in the deserts and the tropics and all that (mine does). I've avoided too much heartache by keeping a close eye on my viscous fan, checking coolant level religiously, using the right mix of coolant and have changed two water pumps at the first hint of slowing down (don't ask me what, mechanic's advice, maybe he sees me coming but he's right the car works very hard in harsh conditions and a preventable failure is not worth the consequences!).

Saint.V8 · May 16, 2013

The Range Rover was designed to be maintained...a well maintained Range Rover will last for ever...(bar the obvious Liner issues)

If things are checked and replaced before ultimate failure, fluids are changed in accordance with the service schedule and with the correct grade fluids, the greasing is carried out periodically and correctly, minor issues are dealt with before rolling over into serious issues, Items that are time-expired are changed out i.e. Air Bladders, Air Bags, Belts, Pads etc, aslong as the owner is willing to learn and understand the complex systems on the Range Rover and how they function then the Range Rover is no worse than anyother vehicle.

They get a bad reputation through poor/lack of maintenance or unwilling owners to deal with issues before they get serious, or an unwillingness to learn the vehicle...instead they just get rid of them, and then give them a bad press.

As an example all 3 of my P38s never suffered from EAS issues, as I had carried out periodic maintenance and checking of the components for wear/tear and dealt with there and then before they got serious enough to affect other components!

Build quality can be a bit iffy from Land Rover at times, and yes the electronics have a tendency to go a bit haywire, but with learned knowledge, an understanding of how the systems function and common sense (along with a Diagnostics computer at times) it is within the realms of most owners to repair!

Yes they are truly frustrating, and getting a mal-maintained example will drive you up the wall and cost a fortune to repair....but I wouldn't drive anything else!

SpiggyTopes · May 17, 2013

rasheed said:
IMHO there are a few things on the p38 that are weirdly underspecc'ed. Maybe its LR's way of injecting personality! EAS compressor for one. Cooling system for another. Keep in mind they knew these cars would run in the deserts and the tropics and all that (mine does). I've avoided too much heartache by keeping a close eye on my viscous fan, checking coolant level religiously, using the right mix of coolant and have changed two water pumps at the first hint of slowing down (don't ask me what, mechanic's advice, maybe he sees me coming but he's right the car works very hard in harsh conditions and a preventable failure is not worth the consequences!).

Totally agree. Just changed a water pump that was only one year old - no leaking but rough bearing.

dogsbody · May 17, 2013

luckymark said:
Evans Waterless Engine Coolants it seems to good to be true, any body know if its worth investing in some?:hysterically_laughi

This has been discussed several times over the years and the consensus is always that it's a waste of a lot of money. This stuff is useful if you're racing, driving an engine to it's limit and don't want the drag of big radiators.
In a road car you're better off spending your money getting the cooling system working well, flushing and checking it regularly then re-filling with fresh coolant and anti-freeze.

Datatek · May 17, 2013

luckymark said:
having overheated my p38 and killed it in just 3 days, i'm now in the process of starting to fit my new engine from a beemer, but i keep thinking about what i can do to avoid the new one blowing up, i'm going to fit a new water pump,stat,rad cap, radiator, doing the cooling fan mods and any thing else i can think of to stop another disaster, whilst doing some research into something else on that old inter web thing i stumbled across this,Evans Waterless Engine Coolants it seems to good to be true, any body know if its worth investing in some?:hysterically_laughi

Snake oil, total waste of cash

Datatek · May 17, 2013

Saint.V8 said:
The Range Rover was designed to be maintained...a well maintained Range Rover will last for ever...(bar the obvious Liner issues)

:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughiThey are designed with absolute minumum spec on everything so the will just last out the warranty before they fall apart

As for last for ever, nothing original will still be on the car much beyond 10 years

rasheed · May 17, 2013

You know what Keith, I'm trying to think of what I haven't changed in the last 7 years! Probably gearbox, starter motor and engine block. Pretty much everything else has been done, some more than once.

martynv8 · May 17, 2013

A Range Rover reminds me of Triggers broom from Only Fools & Horses

Triggers New Broom, The Ship of Theseus - YouTube

Saint.V8 · May 17, 2013

Datatek said:
:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughiThey are designed with absolute minumum spec on everything so the will just last out the warranty before they fall apart
As for last for ever, nothing original will still be on the car much beyond 10 years

Of course nothing will last for ever and yes minimum spec....but it was also designed to be maintained...

Cost cutting and designed to a price is everywhere - even in my industry....BUT we also issue service and maintenance schedules, if these are strictly adhered to, the component/assembly will last, bar mechanical failure.

The problem with most P38s is as they are getting on, previous owners have neglected maintenance and servicing leading to problems and issues....

Example - Radiators silting up, the system was designed to be serviced and flushed on a set frequency to prevent excessive deposits - if this is carried out, the cooling system will be maintained to a good standard. Common sense then dictates that the Radiator will need to be checked later in its life as nothing will last for ever, but if the Rad is checked and replaced before its cooling efficiency becomes reduced, you will never have over heating issues caused by it....

That's my point...the Range Rover will be good aslong as maintenance, servicing and common sense is applied!

rasheed · May 17, 2013

A lot depends on use. Mine's actually only done 70 000 miles but I shall (probably) sell it at the end of the year because despite scrupulous maintenance its best days are past.

gencybay · May 17, 2013

Datatek said:
:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughiThey are designed with absolute minumum spec on everything so the will just last out the warranty before they fall apart
As for last for ever, nothing original will still be on the car much beyond 10 years

Perhaps Sir would prefer one of these.

G~

rasheed · May 17, 2013

I don't know if you were being ironic but personally I would love one of those.

Datatek · May 17, 2013

gencybay said:
Perhaps Sir would prefer one of these.

G~

No idea what it is and I don't need one with all that scrap metal hanging off it, a nice Toyota or Mitsubishi would do me fine, only problem is they are too expensive.

jacckk · May 17, 2013

Datatek said:
No idea what it is and I don't need one with all that scrap metal hanging off it, a nice Toyota or Mitsubishi would do me fine, only problem is they are too expensive.

Surely with the amount of money you've spent on your P38 you would have been able to buy something like that. Your faultmate alone must of cost quite a bit and the donor car as well?

Datatek · May 17, 2013

jacckk said:
Surely with the amount of money you've spent on your P38 you would have been able to buy something like that. Your faultmate alone must of cost quite a bit and the donor car as well?

Nowhere near the cost of a decent Pajero let alone a Toyota

I'm up to about half the cost and that includes consumables.

gencybay · May 17, 2013

Datatek said:
Nowhere near the cost of a decent Pajero let alone a Toyota I'm up to about half the cost and that includes consumables.

You're a bit too close to Spain for a Pajero anyway.

G~

Datatek · May 17, 2013

gencybay said:
You're a bit too close to Spain for a Pajero anyway.

G~

gencybay · May 17, 2013

Datatek said:

Let me google that for you

G~

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