Poor Show, Defender Owners!

blackdog1 · Feb 23, 2015

bluedog333 said:
Fine. Turns out that the majority of us are feckin selfish. Won't bother helping anyone out anymore. " what's that luv? you've got stuck and you've got a kid in the back and you want ME to help?! F*ck off! This vehicle and these hands are for me!"

No most of us are not feckin selfish but as has already been said problems can and do arise when helping people who get them selves stuck, I for one am not a break down service but will always offer assistance if needed. I no longer carry recovery gear as I don't drive to places to get bogged down, so the help that I can offer is limited.

flat · Feb 23, 2015

For instance if it snows I won't purposely go out looking for stuck people but if I am out and came across someone then I may help them if it's safe to do so and practical.

For instance there is a hill near me, often in the snow people can't make it up, I am not going to go out and pull everyone up it as I would be there all day!

My neighbour has a sloped drive so I helped him.

West Slope Rover · Feb 23, 2015

Here in the Merkin Mountains, peeps for the most part drive suitable motors for the conditions. Often if a car is stuck or off the pavement, it was being driven by an immigrant who doesn't speak english or have a driver's license. You can tell the cars that were being driven by the unlicensed. They are the cars that are sitting in the ditch, with all the doors left wide open after they dashed away from the vehicle as to not get caught.

Turboman · Feb 23, 2015

West Slope Rover said:
Here in the Merkin Mountains, peeps for the most part drive suitable motors for the conditions. Often if a car is stuck or off the pavement, it was being driven by an immigrant who doesn't speak english or have a driver's license. You can tell the cars that were being driven by the unlicensed. They are the cars that are sitting in the ditch, with all the doors left wide open after they dashed away from the vehicle as to not get caught.

Not too different in the UK. Many East European farm workers don't have proper documentation, and that is exactly what they tend to do if they are in a smash, jump out and leg it!

To be fair, there are also a percentage of local scrotes who aren't a lot better.

It is too easy to do this now, as there are few police patrols, enforcement is supposed to be by automatic cameras, but there are none on the small rural roads, and in any case they don't help if the car is not registered at the drivers address

Mcclegend · Feb 23, 2015

I'll more than likely get flamed for this but I'm gonna post it anyway.

bluedog333 said:
every month in the winter dozens of cars get stuck. Spinning madly on the greasy, muddy surface.

If it happens every month it's a known problem so why isn't there recovery vechicals on standby.

bluedog333 said:
Am I just too charitable?

Not at all, rescuing the damsels in need is a good thing but please don't take this the wrong way but in my eyes it's a little nieave, I have seen tow hitch snap, d shackles become detached, windscreens smashed I once saw a tow ball snap and hit a guy in the leg.(I did warn them not to use the ball).

Can you imagen what you would feel like if something went wrong and some one got injured by a flying big of rope or shackle.

landover · Feb 23, 2015

Mildly amusing when Im driving a normal car, and somone in a big 4x4 comes barrelling round a country lane, then expects me to reverse (all the way to where ?) so s/he doesnt get car dirty. If s'he gets moody I turn of the engine and listen to radio. I can't stand all this arrogence, its not me, its everyone else

landover · Feb 23, 2015

anyway, recoveries, once upon a time I saw a 7.5 ton delivery lorry being driven at silly speed on a little lane, then straigt across the snow with grass sticking out of it, then nowhere, sunk in the mud. The fat braindead twit "driving" expected us working nearby to pull him out, and refused to help himself ! I went back to work. Sod him. Some people only learn the hard way.

martin1512 · Feb 23, 2015

I always have a tow strap and a couple of shackles in the back of my landy, and am more than happy to pull people out of trouble. I always make sure my towing equipment is in good condition and take simple precautions like making sure no-one is stood near enough to get hit by flying recovery gear if something does go wrong, and making sure that I only ever use the other vehicles recovery point/towing eye and never the tie down points.

nobber · Feb 23, 2015

martin1512 said:
I always have a tow strap and a couple of shackles in the back of my landy, and am more than happy to pull people out of trouble. I always make sure my towing equipment is in good condition and take simple precautions like making sure no-one is stood near enough to get hit by flying recovery gear if something does go wrong, and making sure that I only ever use the other vehicles recovery point/towing eye and never the tie down points.

Do you know what load that ''towing'' eye is rated for? Because pulling a vehicle out of deep snow or mud is not the same as towing it.

blue beasty · Feb 23, 2015

nobber said:
Do you know what load that ''towing'' eye is rated for? Because pulling a vehicle out of deep snow or mud is not the same as towing it.

But ice and slippery grass are......or are you just trying to rationalise being a miserable twunt?

martin1512 · Feb 23, 2015

nobber said:
Do you know what load that ''towing'' eye is rated for? Because pulling a vehicle out of deep snow or mud is not the same as towing it.

I am perfectly aware of that, almost all of the screw in towing eyes I have seen are stamped with 35 kn, which equates to 3570 kg. Any vehicle that is so bogged that it requires more than 3500 kg of tractive effort to move it will require recovery by a tractor rather than my Land Rover.

nobber · Feb 23, 2015

blue beasty said:
But ice and slippery grass are......or are you just trying to rationalise being a miserable twunt?

That's it I think, still , at least I don't get my feet muddy or let the cold in , you do realise how long it takes to heat a landy on a cold day don't you?

bluedog333 · Feb 23, 2015

Mcclegend said:
I'll more than likely get flamed for this but I'm gonna post it anyway.

If it happens every month it's a known problem so why isn't there recovery vechicals on standby.

Not at all, rescuing the damsels in need is a good thing but please don't take this the wrong way but in my eyes it's a little nieave, I have seen tow hitch snap, d shackles become detached, windscreens smashed I once saw a tow ball snap and hit a guy in the leg.(I did warn them not to use the ball).

Can you imagen what you would feel like if something went wrong and some one got injured by a flying big of rope or shackle.

Bloody hell! I'm only talking about pulling people off slippery grass, not out of a bog! As I've said, my shackles are all rated and in good condition, I use a 20ft 8.5t recovery strap in good condition and I use an extra strap at the Landy end between my steps ( or 2" receiver hitch if I've got the pin handy ) and the loop of the main strap - this is a precaution in case of main shackle failure! Simple, safe stuff. There are muppets out there who attempt recoveries with poor equipment and who quite simply bite off more than they can chew! I like to think I'm not in this category.

bluedog333 · Feb 23, 2015

blackdog1 said:
No most of us are not feckin selfish but as has already been said problems can and do arise when helping people who get them selves stuck, I for one am not a break down service but will always offer assistance if needed. I no longer carry recovery gear as I don't drive to places to get bogged down, so the help that I can offer is limited.

You weren't one of the first to reply when I posted that quote, so it obviously wasn't aimed at you!

SteveD · Feb 24, 2015

This guy was just helping out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uboB8JkE4QU

bluedog333 · Feb 24, 2015

SteveD said:
This guy was just helping out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uboB8JkE4QU

Haha!
In hindsight, d'ya think they should've bypassed the truck and hooked straight onto the trailer. Not your average recovery either way!

goonarmy · Feb 24, 2015

bluedog333 said:
Haha!
In hindsight, d'ya think they should've bypassed the truck and hooked straight onto the trailer. Not your average recovery either way!

Track the fooking mahoosive digger off, un#### everyone with it(it is fookin mahoosive afterall) then load it again and #### off. Im told there are machines like that at hinkley point.

That said Id help anyone I think I could help with my gear done my way. And I WOULDNT use capitals to add drama. ....#### it.

bluedog333 · Feb 24, 2015

goonarmy said:
Track the fooking mahoosive digger off, un#### everyone with it(it is fookin mahoosive afterall) then load it again and #### off. Im told there are machines like that at hinkley point.

That said Id help anyone I think I could help with my gear done my way. And I WOULDNT use capitals to add drama. ....#### it.

Having seen it again, you're right! That trailer is properly stuck there. Putting the truck in the middle of a tug-o-war between a mahoosive digger and a mahoosive dozer definitely not a good idea!

norseman · Feb 25, 2015

nobber said:
In fairness when your tow rope snaps and crowns some child or you rip the front out of someone's Jag you are liable, land rover wont jump in and tow you out of court. Are you a trained recovery driver? Does your insurance cover include you being a recovery truck?
There are people out there who would take you to the cleaners if something went wrong.

I know I'm joining this long-running saga a bit late, but I have to agree. Yes it is a sad world but it's one that we live in, like it or not. I carry a 4.0mtr. tow strap ('cause unlike a rope it can be coiled up & stowed in a corner) & a selection of shackles, but am very selective when offering assistance. I tow-started a classic car recently, but instructed the owner to attach his end of the strap to a 'suitable' point of his choice

tacr2man · Feb 25, 2015

Years ago was at Santa Pod raceway , parked up on top of spectator bank in a haflinger ,
guy comes over and asks if i could tow him out of cultivated field he had tried to drive across . It was very soft and muddy . i backed up in front with tow rope attached to my tow bar , and told him to connect hook to his end as I didn't fancy getting out into deep mud. He connected and got in his car , waved to go and I just drove forward , felt atug and then no load , stopped quick , it had pulled the front bumper off from the o/s
reversed back and told him to connect to something more secure , under the front
started off again and felt a tug and then looked in rear view mirror to see the whole ant roll bar in mid air vibrating like a tuning fork . I got out and connected the hook this time , and pulled it out. The guy was surprisingly cool about it , and gave me a six pack

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