Park brake not holding on Vogue
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I would also never just leave a car in gear in a manual on a slope. S sloppy gear box could lead to hear jump and the gear stick popping out as very few cars are straight cut. I guess I will just have to watch the news for a RR SMASHING THROUGH AND KILLING PEDESTRIANS as the owner was too lazy to flip the electronic brake. Makes me wonder why the MFR spends the money to develop a handbrake if people assume they are not needed!!
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But if you put a manual box into gear to hold it, the ONLY thing holding it still is the compression of the engine...overtime this will dissipate and the vehicle will move until the next cylinder gets compression....if the speed of movement is enough (steep enough hill) the weight and momentum of the vehicle will be sufficent to turn the engine over the compression...
Heck you can even turn and engine over the compression using a bar on the crank pulley nut....
NEVER hold a manual car in gear when parking....use it as an addition to the Handbrake but NEVER as a substitute!
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If you didn't use brake and it ran off and crushed someone, or many people, you WOULD be a killer, end off
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It's purely mechanical on all the boxes I've seen, nothing to stop an idiot engaging it and it's very destructive.
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Potentially it does, have you seen the size of the bit of metal you are using to hold 2.5 tonnes of car? On the flat maybe OK but never on any sort of slope.
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I am quite a'pawl'ed at this to be honest:boom:
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The L322 Lever has a Solenoid preventing you putting it into P while the vehicle is moving and/or you foot isn't on the brake pedal - as per my previous post!It's purely mechanical on all the boxes I've seen, nothing to stop an idiot engaging it and it's very destructive.
It's purely mechanical on all the boxes I've seen, nothing to stop an idiot engaging it and it's very destructive.
Yeah that's what I thought.. but it's not something one ever seems to hear of.
If on a slope should one apply hand break, and then select P - it seems as though the other way round puts the strain on the transmission with the brake there as a backup..?
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That is my view.
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That is true of a few modern cars, however with the reliability of the electrics, it's not something I would rely on as the selection is still mechanical. IMO P should only be selected when the car has stopped and the H/brake is on.
The very latest cars with no lever are a different matter.
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YES,,,, and point the steering into the kerb as per Highway code.
Brake cables can fail too, so it is your responsibilty to ensure your killing machine is secured and the elementary positioning of the steering wheels is to ensure it will only roll to the kerb side, or nearest vehicle, hopefully a Kia or something..... Another dangerous act of idiocy i've witnessed far too often, is vehicles waiting to turn right with their steering turned as they wait??? you must ALWAYS keep your steering straight whilst stationary and waiting to turn right to avoid the scenario of being pushed into the path of oncoming vehicles.
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YES,,,, and point the steering into the kerb as per Highway code.
Brake cables can fail too, so it is your responsibilty to ensure your killing machine is secured and the elementary positioning of the steering wheels is to ensure it will only roll to the kerb side, or nearest vehicle, hopefully a Kia or something..... Another dangerous act of idiocy i've witnessed far too often, is vehicles waiting to turn right with their steering turned as they wait??? you must ALWAYS keep your steering straight whilst stationary and waiting to turn right to avoid the scenario of being pushed into the path of oncoming vehicles.
The tensest moments are when I'm on a slipway getting the boat ready.. and if the brakes and transmission fail simultaneously.. oof (highly unlikely but 'tis a Rangie
)Main reason for tension is that insurance tends not to cover slipways as they're classed as off road
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+1
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The tensest moments are when I'm on a slipway getting the boat ready.. and if the brakes and transmission fail simultaneously.. oof (highly unlikely but 'tis a Rangie
Main reason for tension is that insurance tends not to cover slipways as they're classed as off road
Check out my pictures in ""For sale", i was a tad nervous as although not evident, the tide was marching in, i did not switch it off, thats for sure.
Check out my pictures in ""For sale", i was a tad nervous as although not evident, the tide was marching in, i did not switch it off, thats for sure.
Haha, at least it's not a slope! Good pictures though
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Haha, at least it's not a slope! Good pictures though
Thanks, i know a pro, and we took protection (coastguard number pre-programmed into mobile phone )
