p38 suspesion lift

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tazz316

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hi ive put a 2" suspension lift on my p38 also 30mm wheel spacers since fitting the springs the rear wheel on the passenger side sticks out from the body more than the drivers side all other wheels are fine been told its the rear axle link bar thats attached to the body and rear axle since fitting the lift it seems to have pulled the axle to the left about an inch ...is there a longer bar i can buy or any other way to rectify the problem other than removing the suspension
reagards
joe
 
I'd put this thread in the range rover section if I were you. You'll be lambasted and commended in equal measure for putting it on springs but the p38 gurus will know the answer. They tend not to venture far in the forum.
 
hi ive put a 2" suspension lift on my p38 also 30mm wheel spacers since fitting the springs the rear wheel on the passenger side sticks out from the body more than the drivers side all other wheels are fine been told its the rear axle link bar thats attached to the body and rear axle since fitting the lift it seems to have pulled the axle to the left about an inch ...is there a longer bar i can buy or any other way to rectify the problem other than removing the suspension
reagards
joe
If only people would gain a basic understanding of how suspension actually works before ****ing around with it and then not understanding the consequences :oops:

Not trying to be mean. But if you'd spent even half an hour with Google and done research on how an axle is located and controlled. You'd know exactly what has happened and why.
 
i only asked for a bit of information ...not for people to have a go... you negative individuals are obviously stuck up your own arses you think you can see the sun shine out of it ...thank you to the people who took the time to reply with some genuine advice.... and the rest of you i,m sure you keep an endless supply of tissues for when your alone with your range rovers
 
i only asked for a bit of information ...not for people to have a go... you negative individuals are obviously stuck up your own arses you think you can see the sun shine out of it ...thank you to the people who took the time to reply with some genuine advice.... and the rest of you i,m sure you keep an endless supply of tissues for when your alone with your range rovers

@tazz316

In all honesty, you were warned that you had placed your query in the wrong section if you wanted a particular P38 question answered. (post # 2) After all, the board you posted on is the "General Land Rover Forum" and not the Range Rover specific forum.
If you'd done some more research here on the forum you'd have come to the conclusion that there are some members who actually know what they're talking about. @300bhp/ton is accepted as being knowledgeable in such matters as chassis and suspension modification for the off-road world.
He is also known to be very helpful if somebody asks a question such as "how would I go about .... ?" but he doesn't suffer fools gladly when somebody says "I've done such and such and it doesn't work, why?" when it's obvious that no actual research has been done before starting work.
What you have been advised to do is to find out how the axle is held and centered on the chassis, both front and rear axles are "Live axles" and not fully independant suspension.
I've tried to explain the error of your ways and if you want to save yourself anymore p*ss-taking, I would strongly recommend that you remove your feeble attempt to sell your P38 headlights. 50 useful posts are required before any member can sell parts or even complete vehicles.
 
i accept the fact some people on here are very knowledgeable hence the reason i asked for advise ... i didnt ask for anyone to take the **** ...if they dont like the replies dont take the **** simple and as for the feeble attempt to sell my lights there,s nothing feeble about it they are there if anyone is interested simple ....i do apologise if i have offended anyone
 
i only asked for a bit of information ...not for people to have a go... you negative individuals are obviously stuck up your own arses you think you can see the sun shine out of it ...thank you to the people who took the time to reply with some genuine advice.... and the rest of you i,m sure you keep an endless supply of tissues for when your alone with your range rovers
As I said, I'm not trying to be mean. And if you show you've put some effort in and don't understand, I'll happily reply and try and help you out best I can.

I will gladly share any knowledge I've learnt or gleaned, either through first hand experience or theory based. But it is appreciated if people at least try to get up to speed first.

As for my comment earlier. It's very key to understand how an axle is located, it needs to be controlled up/down, forward/back and left/right.

And in most cases the axle will move in an arc. However live axles that use a Panhard Rod to control lateral movement, will also move left and right in relalation to the body as the axle goes up and down. This is perfectly normal and how it is suppoed to work.

Adjusting it at a new ride height is an option, but under suspension compression or full droop the axle will still move left and right and may put unwanted stress or binding on other components or bushes. Because you will have adjusted it beyond the standard specification. Meaning it'll move further in one direction than it used too.
 
thank you for your knowledge and your explanation is very much appreciated ....so in theory if i fitted an adjustable panhard rod that would recentralize the axle i will also be fitting poly bushes
 
Yes, altering the length of the Panhard will move the axle, think you'd need to make it longer. This is pretty common on performance cars that use live axles. I have an adjustable Panhard rod on my Camaro, for just this purpose (although the adjustment is normally to shorten them, as most cars get lowered, rather than lifted).

But the big difference with a 4x4 is, you generally have a lot more suspension travel and if used off road will make use of this travel. Performance cars tend to have little travel in the suspension and aren't normally using all of the travel for road or track driving.

By making the Panhard longer you'll be moving the axle over. Say you increase the panhard by 1.5". However at full compression, such as off road, the longer bar will now be trying to push the axle a further 1.5" to the right than it would normally be. This might not be a problem, but it might induce binding or high lateral stresses on components in a manner that they weren't design for. Be it the trailing arms, the shocks or even the spring seats.

If you can find where someone else has done this on a p38 and had no problems then that would be good. If not, then you will be performing the R&D on this. Chances are it'll be fine, but if you start and get weird clonks off road, issues with how it drives or bits failing on the rear the suspension. Then such a change would be cause for further scrutiny,

As for why the axle moves. A rod, if one end is fixed, the other will move in an arc. When this end is attached to the axle, it will move the axle closers and further away as it goes up and down.

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How you might extend it. There is cutting and welding, but it'll need to be strong and done well. You don't want an item like this failing out on the open road, as the axle will flop sides ways uncontrolled and likely result in a crash if you are going at any sort of speed.

Most adjustable ones have a screw linkage. You might be able to fabricate something, or even with some luck find one for another vehicle that just happens to fit the p38. It might also be worth checking some US sites, just in case someone over their sells such an item for the p38.

Failing that, you could just live with it. It isn't causing any harm, although to remain within the UK Construction & Use regulations, the tyres should not be protruding from the arches. It is a fineable offense. MoT's will probably be fine, but if you got pulled over...
 
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Other option is to lower the chassis mount for the panhard by 2in . This will bring things back in line but only at normal height. For off road you may still get to much lateral movement and rub the arches. As fer **** take, get it back on air :cool::D
 
Other option is to lower the chassis mount for the panhard by 2in . This will bring things back in line but only at normal height. For off road you may still get to much lateral movement and rub the arches. As fer **** take, get it back on air :cool::D

Hope he has a good supply of front prop UJs, he will need them sooner or later. It's amazing the damage a flailing prop can do at 70 MPH. :D:D
 
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