NEWS: Nissan Patrol Adds 4x4 Capability To Coventry & Warwickshire Ambulance NHS Trust Fleet

"Steve Firth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> ernie woodhall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > maybe that's why SJA have it as their preferred off-road option. First
> > Renault, now Nissan,
>
> "SJA"?

St. John Ambulance, oiperator of One of, if not the largest fleet of
frontline ambulances in the UK
>
> > what's the matter with Land-Rover for heaven's sake?
>
> High price, poor reliability.

more pointedly

can't get a trolley cot into Discovery II or defender 110 easily and /or
ergonomically ( hence the reason discovery 1 Ambulances were either 116 in
wheelbase - NEAS or Derbyshire) or had no front passenger seat

that said the Nissan patrol is not the most ergonomic 4*4 ambulance i've
seen , but it it's far more wieldy than a 130" Defender or a Pinzgauer

whether discovery 3 with it's 114 in wheelbase changes the picture

other point with respect to road ambulances

Renault Master - quite simply the renault master is the best suited chassis
from a wheelbase and suspension point of view for a low floor ambulance,
with an acceptably shallow wedge ramp, whiile retaining any vestiage of
variable purpose useage - hence it's widespread adoption by many NHS fleets
as well.






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"Blippie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>maybe that's why SJA have it as their preferred off-road option. First
> >>Renault, now Nissan, what's the matter with Land-Rover for heaven's
sake?
> >
> >I wonder if an existing preference for Renault for the on-road 'blooances
> >has predisposed them towards adding Nissan (who are, of course, owned by
La
> >Regie) for the 4x4s?
> >
> >Given that SJA is a charity, I wonder if there's an element of large
> >corporate sponsorship/support (perhaps in the form of very competitive
> >pricing) from Renault/Nissan UK?
>
> Whilst Renault is one of the marques of choice for ambulance services, it
> takes more than agglomeration economies/bulk buying (and even allowing a
> large margin for the more advanced equipment NHS ambulances use) to
explain
> why SJA can pick up ambulances at around £40,000 when the NHS will be
> looking at £80-100,000.

the 80 -100 k is often quoteed as the price of a modular bodied vehicle
rather than a van conversion

currently crusader costs between 45 and 50 k / vehicle

i'm not sure what price Staffs would quote fo their collet/ fiat van
conversion

i'm not sure what price WMAS would quote for their papworth trenaulrs or
collet/ renaults

the cost savings are in the following areas

a van conversion is cheaper than a modular body, even before considering the
increased testing costs of a modular body which doesn'yt have the factory
crash data on the basic structure

not having to buy a LP12 or loaded ZollM saves a big proprotion of the
price - many of the large NHS praices include new defib equipment to deliver
the requirements of the Coronary heart disease agenda

not including the price of data terminals in the ex works price for Crusader
just the PMR radio and wiring for two antennae, not including the cost of
the mobile phone itself in hte price , just the handsfree kit


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Martyn Hodson wrote:
> the 80 -100 k is often quoteed as the price of a modular bodied vehicle
> rather than a van conversion
>
> currently crusader costs between 45 and 50 k / vehicle
>
> the cost savings are in the following areas
>
> a van conversion is cheaper than a modular body, even before considering the
> increased testing costs of a modular body which doesn'yt have the factory
> crash data on the basic structure

We did OK buying a diesel transit demo ambulance some 11 years ago, cost
us 16 grand and returns good fuel economy, still only done 36k as the
county transport co-ordinator prefers to send v8 LDVs or crusaders on
those jobs, as our converted van doesn't look as good....Came with all
fittings and 2 york 4's now fitted with a single easy lift.