New Products: Koolant, Kleenant, Lubricant

3 new products by HSL Racing added to the Llama 4x4 range

KOOLANT: cooling system affitive will reduce running temperature of engine.
Helps reduce overheating problems. 500ml bottle treats 15 litres of coolant.
Safely mixes with antifreeze. £14 per bottle

'KLEENANT' is a concentrated pressure washer detergent designed for
removing the oily traffic film after use on a track ( or inner city
delays! ). Safe on paint. Mix at 50:1 with water as a detergent for the
pressure washer or at 5:1 as an engine / component degreaser for manual
application. Could be described as a posh fleetwash. £6 a bottle ( 500ml )

'LUBRICANT' . is a very powerful water displacer and pentrating oil.
Supplied in a 250ml pump spray bottle. If it can run an electric drill
underwater imagine how well it will seal your ingnition! £4.95 a bottle.

We are also looking at stocking SCREENANT - a very concentrated
screenwash that de-ices to -10 degrees or dilutes at 20:1 for summer use.
Trade enquiries for any of the above can also be accepted as we have
distributor status for HSL Racing products.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:

> 3 new products

Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
spammers from newsgroups?

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

In article <1gn1i7y.1dsbhyijn4gr5N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth wrote:
> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> 3 new products
>
> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?
>

I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there minds
him advertising from time to time.

I for one find *you* much more irritating.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gn1i7y.1dsbhyijn4gr5N%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 3 new products
>
> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Just had a word with the foreman at the blenders and he reckons you use
the same product as the one you would use to remove irrelevant quotes from
signatures on the same NG's.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there minds
> him advertising from time to time.

Incorrect, I mind.

> I for one find *you* much more irritating.

Tough titty.

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

"Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1gn1m3s.1v74j2y14grzmsN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> Simon Barr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I think you'll find that David is a regular in a.f.l. and no-one there
minds
> > him advertising from time to time.
>
> Incorrect, I mind.
>
> > I for one find *you* much more irritating.
>
> Tough titty.
>
> --
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

To my knowledge I don't think I have met either Simon or yourself in the
flesh to formulate an opinion on you but from what I have seen of the
comments you both post on the NG I thank Simon for his support and with
thoughts on your objections to my occasional ads ( topical ) compared to my
regular contributions then, in your own words, 'tough titty'.

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

It is great that you have liberty to speak your mind but would Mr Franklin
have called censorship 'liberty'?

David_LLAMA4x4 <[email protected]> wrote:

> To my knowledge I don't think I have met either Simon or yourself in the
> flesh to formulate an opinion on you but from what I have seen of the
> comments you both post on the NG I thank Simon for his support and with
> thoughts on your objections to my occasional ads ( topical ) compared to my
> regular contributions then, in your own words, 'tough titty'.

I don't care how topical you think advertising is, always off topic, and
always has been. If you want to advertise, why not use the groups that
have the word "advert" or "adverts" in their name? These groups are
provided for people who wish to advertise.

> It is great that you have liberty to speak your mind but would Mr Franklin
> have called censorship 'liberty'?

Complaining about commercial use of a non-commercial resource is not
censorship. Do you propose to pay me for the rental of the space that
your UCE takes up on my hard drive? After all, I pay for that space and
for the bandwidth that you use up, you don't.

If you want to pay for your advertising then I'm all in favour of it.
Otherwise, you're stealing and the only issue about liberty is that
you're taking a liberty.

OTOH if this place is as you and Simon think a fit place for advertising
I think I can summon up the odd Gb or so of product placement for my own
business. Is that what you want?

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

Steve Firth wrote:

> Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> spammers from newsgroups?

We've had this argument before now and the general concensus at the time
was that occasional relevant adverts from people who provide frequent
useful information to the group is acceptable. I would count David as
one of those people.

(Note to people in uk.rec.cars.4x4 - I don't read that group so the
previous paragraph could be complete nonsense for that group. It holds
true for alt.fan.landrover though. The following is however valid for both)

If you don't want his post using up valuable space on your hard drive
(which given hard drives cost around 50p per GB these days works out at
0.00025p for a 5kbyte post) then nobody is forcing you to keep it (or
indeed even to download it from the server in the first place using up
your equally valuable bandwidth). If even that is too much for you then
you also of course have the killfile option.

Regarding one of your other posts I would hope you can see the
difference between an odd 5Kbyte on topic advert from someone who posts
frequent helpful posts to the group and "the odd Gb or so" you mention.
A factor of 200,000 in size is the first thing that jumps to mind...

Paul

--
Paul Everett
repton at repton dot org
http://www.repton.org/

On or around Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:19:33 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve
Firth) enlightened us thusly:

>I don't care how topical you think advertising is, always off topic, and
>always has been. If you want to advertise, why not use the groups that
>have the word "advert" or "adverts" in their name? These groups are
>provided for people who wish to advertise.

I bet the LR group charter at least has a proviso for on-topic adverts,
provided they're not repeated. the normal wording is not more than once a
month, I suspect.

although personally, ICBA to look.

Paul Everett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Regarding one of your other posts I would hope you can see the
> difference between an odd 5Kbyte on topic advert from someone who posts
> frequent helpful posts to the group and "the odd Gb or so" you mention.
> A factor of 200,000 in size is the first thing that jumps to mind...

Ah, someone not familiar with Dickens.

"It was only a little baby."

--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 23:20:05 +0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I bet the LR group charter at least has a proviso for on-topic adverts,
>provided they're not repeated. the normal wording is not more than once a
>month, I suspect.

There's some differences between the 'Big 8' hierarchies which
includes the general sewer known as 'alt' (with some obvious
exclusions, obviously!) and the uk.* hierarchy. In general the uk
usenet space is far better managed and maintained. The Charter for
groups such as uk.rec.cars.4x4 will be proposed via an RfD (Request
for Discussion) and may or may not include 'advertising is strictly
forbidden' statements or, as you say above, welcome on topic
advertising so long as certain conventions are followed (prefixing a
subject with Ad: is one example).

Changing the Charter for groups in uk.* is also via an RfD and any
changes will generally be put to a vote - in some cases an obvious and
logical change may be subject to the Fast Track process, minor
administrative changes can be made, after putting before the uk usenet
committee, 'on the fly', although this is generally not needed.

My personal feeling is that the uk hierarchy works better than any
other in this respect and structurally represents the users of uk
usenet in a meaningful way - divest of the somewhat 'pointed' politics
of alt creation.

Anyone who's interested in the uk hierarchy may like to see
www.usenet.org.uk and possibly subscribe to uk.net.news.config and
uk.net.news.management - although beware, as these groups can
occasionally appear, incorrectly IMO, to be a bit of a clique.

Paul Everett <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Steve Firth wrote:
>
> > Which product do you recommend for removing those irritating greasy
> > spammers from newsgroups?

Two pieces of advice from David have saved friends a fair sum of money
and a lot of trouble, his occasional product suggestion has saved many
people cost and time spent on trial and error . . . I'm all for his
helpful 'advertorial'
and will make my own mind up about its value thanks.

Weird thing is that Steve Firth's postings are entirely absent from
the threads I'm reading from Google so perhaps God is on David's side!

Ta, Lurch