Freelander 1 Mysterious TD4 problem - like MAF problem, but it isn't.

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Kari

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Hey!

I've been trying to troubleshoot my engine problem quite a bit and haven't figured out anything yet. Getting tired of buying new parts blindly so i figured i'll ask if you guys have any ideas.

When i got the car it felt like it had underfueling maf, engine was quite dull under 2000rpm so i ordered Synergy 2 and pierburg MAF from RoverRon. Instead of fixing the problem, it actually got even worse. After measuring the voltages it seems like hes product and the maf he supplied are working perfectly fine, so the problem is somewhere else.

Car works perfectly fine with MAF disconnected. When MAF is connected, it has barely enough power to get moving at all. Can't drive on a highway unless i unplug the sensor because it doesn't go fast enough to keep up with other cars.

So far i've replaced MAP sensor, fuel rail pressure sensor and harness, fuel filter and MAF.

Injector leakback test shows that #3 has more leakback than others, so it needs to be replaced but i don't think it explain this problem since none of them leak that much. (7, 7.4, 12 and 7.6ml per minute on idle)

MAF Voltage with Synergy on 10 shows about 2.2v on idle, 3.05v at 1750rpm and 3.9v at 3000rpm. These seem tad high, but then again synergy is on the highest setting. Lowering it makes it worse.

Fuel rail sensor voltages are about 1.25-1.3v at idle regardless if MAF is plugged in or not.

Odd thing is, car had Bosch F00C2G2029 MAF in it when i got it, which actually reads very high numbers, like over 2.6v at idle. And the car works much better with this than with the pierburg that is giving correct 2.2v?

Could someone have programmed the car to use this F00C2G2029 MAF due to better availability and price and thats why it's not working with original spec maf anymore? Any other ideas what to test?

Oh, the car doesn't show any fault codes either, OBD nor manufacturer specific ones. No engine light on either.

-Kari
 
( post edited due to possible mis-info re original spec maf part number )

when the pierburg maf was fitted ( 7.22684.07.0 ) ..
you had the synergy maf switch turned 'on' ??
( towards the box settings sticker .. switch must be 'on' for the pierburg maf ..
( and 'on' to compensate for a worn under-fuelling original spec bosch maf

or .. by chance connect the maf plug back-to-front when fitting the synergy and pierbug maf .. ?
although in that case the engine will not run above .. or will stick at .. 1500 rpm
and the dash engine warning light would illuminate
( according to the synergy fitting instructions )

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that IS the standard bosch maf number for the td4 as it left the factory
a.f.a.i.k. ...
be the maf no. on mine .. before i replaced it with the pierburg maf and ronbox

when the pierburg maf was fitted ( 7.22684.07.0 ) ..
you had the synergy maf switch turned 'on' ??
( towards the box settings sticker .. switch must be 'on' for the pierburg maf )
or .. by chance connect the maf plug back-to-front when fitting the synergy and pierbug maf .. ?

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Isn't 0928400520 the original maf number? Or is that the number for the whole assembly? It's slightly confusing because many retailers sell only the insert but with this number.

Well that would rule out the software issue too, since i did try the car with brand new F00C2G2029 (My 540 BMW uses this maf) without having the synergy connected at all - so i don't think the ronbox has anything to do with this problem.

Does this ECU have fuel trims that could be messed up because the old maf was giving such high voltages, maybe it adapted to those and now it's not fueling enough with a working maf.

I tried disconnecting the battery for a while but that didn't help, and i can't use my INPA to reset any adaptions because the K+DCAN cable i have for BMW doesn't work with this car.
 
Isn't 0928400520 the original maf number? Or is that the number for the whole assembly?
maybe the whole assembly .. i don't know for sure ..

( EDIT ) ::: ...
er .. just did some searching ..
an now thinking bosch number i quoted above may be wrong
( it came from my desk notes .. not sure where i took it from
( thought it were off the old bosch maf i took out ..
( when i replaced it with the pierburg maf ..
( can't check as i no longer have the original maf

sorry about that .. i shall delete that from above post ..
and do some more site searching ..
must be a ton of posts here regarding the td4 maf sensor ..
one is sure to have the info ..
 
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sensor (only) part number here corresponds to same as i wrote ( now deleted )
https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/td4-power-loss-when-pulling-away.23216/page-5#post-230852

put same part number into a search .. looked at an ebay link to said sensor ( alone )
auto reply .. sais it were not compatible to the td4 ..

am fairly sure i got my part number .. either off the old sensor that i replaced
or a reliable source on these pages ..
( plus i didn't know about that dealers would only supply the whole unit .. not just the sensor alone )
thing is .. this site has since changed a few months ago ..
making all previous saved bookmarks obsolete ..

and rover ron's site does not seem to give the bosch sensor part number ..
only sais this ..
" NB DO NOT FIT PIERBURGH MAF 7.22684 09.0 with or without a Synergy (Ronbox) 2 as this ONLY for BMW vehicles. I also do not recommend the 7.22684.11.0 maf now produced as a direct Bosch alternative as the results are still not as good. "
( http://tuning-diesels.com/75Zt/R75maf.htm )

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