Freelander 1 MOT Grrrrrrrr !

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is missing the fact that a front brake pad has worn down to the metal .. normal ..
for an MOT test ??????

hippo passed the mot about a week ago ..
advisory on ' soft brake pedal ' .. and ' worn front discs '
figured the 'soft pedal' might be due to the brakes need bleeding ..
as the brake pipes were replaced last year ( mot advisory due to corrosion )
brake pedal hardens up on second press of pedal ..

was wondering about a graunching noise that were starting to happen when braking
( from front nearside )
figured maybe it were debris between the disc and disc backing plate ( stone guard thing )
this morn. i took the calliper off for a look-see ..
inside brake pad was worn down to the metal ! .. no wonder it were noisy ..
( no debris to be seen inside the stone guard plate )
so a sticking calliper to boot :-((
and the same calliper were replaced last year ( by a LR dealership )
'cause it were sticking .. 'n they couldn't unstick it ( so they said )

just miffed they missed that badly worn pad on the mot test ..
( hippo be braking ok .. no vibration from the steering .. 'orrible noise though )

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rrrant over ..
 
So it didn't go to quikfit then.:p
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do they give out free cappuccino 'n ice cream ..?

well no .. i don't go to the local LR 'experts' cause of the freebie refreshments ..
but i be paranoid that some other mot place might tests the brakes using the wrong method
'n hippo ending up with a f****d ird / vcu ..

without looking at the mot sheet .. don't know if it's written down .. but ..
mr.service man said to me .. "brake pads are 50% worn" ..
( how do they figure that if they didn't look ? ..
( then again i don't know what their brake pad measurement method be
( without removing the wheel

i suppose the upside is .. it passed the mot ..
and i've found out that removing the calliper 'n brake pads ain't such a difficult task
( thought it would screw my back up for a week .. and / or i'd be dealing with stripped rusted bolts 'n such )
so looks like i'll replace the pads 'n discs myself .. 'n attempt to free up the calliper movement on the guide pins
and pass on the freebie refreshments .. and disco. sport courtesy car .. 'n save some dosh ..

just need a day .. when it don't rain .. and preferably not blowing a gale ..
at least will have some new b.pads tomorrow .. .. fingers crossed on the weather front :)
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actually .. am sort of surprised that there was no other indication ..
apart from the graunching sound .. that the inside pad had worn so far down ..
like .. no steering vibration when braking .. no pulling to one side ..
on the other hand i don't have much experience with disc brakes ..
apart from one motorcycle .. 'n they never had any issues at all ..
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hi mate you can see the brake pads without taking
the wheel off with a torch or lamp.
the pistons inside the caliper will be a bugger to free
up,might be best getting a decent 2nd hand one,but
new ones are about 38 quid from adventure 4x4 morley.:).
 
hi mate you can see the brake pads without taking
the wheel off with a torch or lamp.
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aha .. ye old torch method :)

called up local LR parts dept. yesterday ..
in somewhat of a panic - rush .. ordered some brake pads
they asked if i wanted / needed the newer pins that supersede the old ones
wasn't quite sure what they were on about .. and it sounded like i needed these newer parts
in order to fit the pads .. i.e. it sounded like the pads had changed as well .. somehow ..
dept. office were understaffed at that moment .. workshop extremely busy as well ..
no pads in stock .. they called me back to say pads can be in tomorrow morning ( this morn. )

anyhow .. ended up with 2 sets of front pads ..
and new guide pins 'n dust caps for both callipers ..
just looked at the fitting instructions that came with the pads ..
goes on about short chamfer 'n long chamfer edges .. and identification markings ..
well .. all the pads in both 'sets' have an obvious long chamfer .. 'n no identification markings ..
knowing my luck at the moment .. the pads will be the wrong size
( although did make sure vehicle info given were correct .. )

zipped over to halfords 'n picked up some brake cleaner ..

raining at the moment .. tomorrow looks a bit better for working outside ..
for now will just replace the pads on that one calliper ..
then when weather be more suitable .. will change the guide pins on both callipers ..
and fit new discs ..


the pistons inside the caliper will be a bugger to free
up,might be best getting a decent 2nd hand one,but
new ones are about 38 quid from adventure 4x4 morley
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looking at the pad wear .. i'm guessing it might be the guide pins ..
but .. untill yesterday .. via a few youtube vids .. i was unsure how a brake calliper actually worked ..
thing is .. said calliper was / is supposed be 'new' as of 20k miles ago ..
however shiny silver paint has turned to rust .. looking much like the other older one ( offside )
crap paint job on a rebuilt used part ????
in anycase .. i might go over 'n check out ' adventure 4x4 morley ' ..
as when i got the hippo .. phoned them to enquire about an autologic-remap ..
( bought the ronbox'2a' module instead )
could do with an alternative LR workshop .. for things i can't handle on my own ..

cheers :)
 
hd3 said:
aha .. ye old torch method :)

called up local LR parts dept. yesterday ..
in somewhat of a panic - rush .. ordered some brake pads
they asked if i wanted / needed the newer pins that supersede the old ones
wasn't quite sure what they were on about .. and it sounded like i needed these newer parts
in order to fit the pads .. i.e. it sounded like the pads had changed as well .. somehow ..
dept. office were understaffed at that moment .. workshop extremely busy as well ..
no pads in stock .. they called me back to say pads can be in tomorrow morning ( this morn. )

anyhow .. ended up with 2 sets of front pads ..
and new guide pins 'n dust caps for both callipers ..
just looked at the fitting instructions that came with the pads ..
goes on about short chamfer 'n long chamfer edges .. and identification markings ..
well .. all the pads in both 'sets' have an obvious long chamfer .. 'n no identification markings ..
knowing my luck at the moment .. the pads will be the wrong size
( although did make sure vehicle info given were correct .. )

zipped over to halfords 'n picked up some brake cleaner ..

raining at the moment .. tomorrow looks a bit better for working outside ..
for now will just replace the pads on that one calliper ..
then when weather be more suitable .. will change the guide pins on both callipers ..
and fit new discs ..




looking at the pad wear .. i'm guessing it might be the guide pins ..
but .. untill yesterday .. via a few youtube vids .. i was unsure how a brake calliper actually worked ..
thing is .. said calliper was / is supposed be 'new' as of 20k miles ago ..
however shiny silver paint has turned to rust .. looking much like the other older one ( offside )
crap paint job on a rebuilt used part ????
in anycase .. i might go over 'n check out ' adventure 4x4 morley ' ..
as when i got the hippo .. phoned them to enquire about an autologic-remap ..
( bought the ronbox'2a' module instead )
could do with an alternative LR workshop .. for things i can't handle on my own ..

under no circumstances replace one set of pads..you will veer into the nearest object when you brake, totally deadly..and sorry to say stupidity..the new pads will grab like hell ..leave it off road till you do both sides

cheers :)
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hd3 said:
aha .. ye old torch method :)

called up local LR parts dept. yesterday ..
in somewhat of a panic - rush .. ordered some brake pads
they asked if i wanted / needed the newer pins that supersede the old ones
wasn't quite sure what they were on about .. and it sounded like i needed these newer parts
in order to fit the pads .. i.e. it sounded like the pads had changed as well .. somehow ..
dept. office were understaffed at that moment .. workshop extremely busy as well ..
no pads in stock .. they called me back to say pads can be in tomorrow morning ( this morn. )

anyhow .. ended up with 2 sets of front pads ..
and new guide pins 'n dust caps for both callipers ..
just looked at the fitting instructions that came with the pads ..
goes on about short chamfer 'n long chamfer edges .. and identification markings ..
well .. all the pads in both 'sets' have an obvious long chamfer .. 'n no identification markings ..
knowing my luck at the moment .. the pads will be the wrong size
( although did make sure vehicle info given were correct .. )

zipped over to halfords 'n picked up some brake cleaner ..

raining at the moment .. tomorrow looks a bit better for working outside ..
for now will just replace the pads on that one calliper ..
then when weather be more suitable .. will change the guide pins on both callipers ..
and fit new discs ..




looking at the pad wear .. i'm guessing it might be the guide pins ..
but .. untill yesterday .. via a few youtube vids .. i was unsure how a brake calliper actually worked ..
thing is .. said calliper was / is supposed be 'new' as of 20k miles ago ..
however shiny silver paint has turned to rust .. looking much like the other older one ( offside )
crap paint job on a rebuilt used part ????
in anycase .. i might go over 'n check out ' adventure 4x4 morley ' ..
as when i got the hippo .. phoned them to enquire about an autologic-remap ..
( bought the ronbox'2a' module instead )
could do with an alternative LR workshop .. for things i can't handle on my own ..

cheers :)
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under no circumstances ever replace pads on one wheel you will veer into the first object as you brake, the new brakes will grab like hell , thats a def killer and not very intelligent thing to do if you have any idea about brakes
 
under no circumstances ever replace pads on one wheel you will veer into the first object as you brake, the new brakes will grab like hell , thats a def killer and not very intelligent thing to do if you have any idea about brakes
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your right .. 'n thanx for the warning ..
be in a rush to get the one fixed .. not thinking entirely straight :)
will replace both sides before driving out ..

cheers for the reminder :)
 
hd3 said:
your right .. 'n thanx for the warning ..
be in a rush to get the one fixed .. not thinking entirely straight :)
will replace both sides before driving out ..

cheers for the reminder :)
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scared life out me...thinking this guys heading for a nasty prang...im sure once you went to start you would have ,,thought hang on...not good idea..we all come out with things we wouldnt do in reality ..isaid ide never re-marry....hang on ..i did..lol
 
That is a bugger @hd3 - as you think, the disks and pads are quite easy to replace though - just did my disks this week. Access to the bits is good - you can just sit or kneel by the wheel and get the job done - you don't need to be a bendy escapologist to get good pull on the ratchet.

With a sticking piston the job can be a pain getting the pads off over the 'lip' around the outside of the old disk. Getting something in to push the pad out is awkward and needs 'persuasion' - I did curse a bit :) If the weather's not good and you've got some time it may be worth opening the box with the disks and giving them a clean. Mine came from a dealer and were covered in a protective layer to stop rust - took a while running with meths to clean them up - took longer than actually changing them.
 
very good way of pin pointing noises when held to the ear...can be used to undo and tighten screws to..lol...unless you live in birmingham
 
The Mad Hat Man said:
One has to know which way round ;).

Wots it got to do with our illustrious Prison warders? :p
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well in brum ...the hammer is known as the birmingham screwdriver, in fact the hammer was better as a knock detector, some of the finest craftsman and engineers in brum and blackcountry, and shropshire..may as well as said midlands eh, finest drop forging in the world...just look at thomas telford
 
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