Modus Operandi for rescues ...

Balbas · Dec 30, 2017

Another point I meant to make - that askmid website - do any of you read the data protection declaration? You're only *supposed* to check on a vehicle you own. Ok I'm sure everyone does check on vehicles they don't own from time to time (whistles and looks guilty...) but suggesting that it's part of the process before initiating a rescue *may* not be a clever idea. Just sayin' like.

private penguin · Dec 30, 2017

I imagine there is a range of experience across the forum.

There will be people with a huge amount of experience - either in 4x4 response, pay and play day recovery, or working with the emergency services.

There will be people who have no formal experience but are competent off road drivers

And there wil be people with limited experience but a willingness to help

What's important is that people understand their level of competence and dont try to exceed it. There is no point someone who only normally uses their D4 to run the kids to school attempting a rescue on a mountain byway, whereas someone who is used to driving such byways and has recovery experience may be able to effect a recovery. On the other hand, the person with the D4 and limited experience may be able to go and rescue the passengers from a stranded car and get them to safety whilst the driver awaits the breakdown services.

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

Balbas said:
Another point I meant to make - that askmid website - do any of you read the data protection declaration? You're only *supposed* to check on a vehicle you own. Ok I'm sure everyone does check on vehicles they don't own from time to time (whistles and looks guilty...) but suggesting that it's part of the process before initiating a rescue *may* not be a clever idea. Just sayin' like.

Then do not do it..........I say while whistling and walking away to check an insurance status...LOL.

Cheers

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

neilly said:
Then do not do it..........I say while whistling and walking away to check an insurance status...LOL.

Cheers

but there is nothing stop people doing it if they think it is a wise move

private penguin · Dec 30, 2017

Perhaps best then that individual users decide whether they wish to use askMID

There is no such data protection warning on the DVLA's website to check if vehicles are MOTd and Taxed and to check that they are what they should be.

I think the key is to ensure that responders are given the reg number of the vehicle they are going to and at least then they can choose to do their own checks.

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

As we are talking about insurance,

Apart from it being a possible red flag to a potential chancer wanting a free rescue from a precarious situation, there is also the risk for causing youself further issues if when towing the uninsured vehicle you are stopped by the old bill. AFAIK a towed car must be fully road legal.

Cheers

doriz · Dec 30, 2017

ASKMID, that's brilliant, never heard of before. Better still I actually managed to beat the robot at the traffic light game

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

johnlad said:
Difference being the van that was stuck was driven by a member of here with a good few posts and been a member for years

That sounded like a proper 999 risk to life job to me

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
of course not.

but then "WE DONT PUT LZERS AT RISK!"

That' not the case

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

neilly said:
As we are talking about insurance,

Apart from it being a possible red flag to a potential chancer wanting a free rescue from a precarious situation, there is also the risk for causing youself further issues if when towing the uninsured vehicle you are stopped by the old bill. AFAIK a towed car must be fully road legal.

Cheers

Unless trailered ...

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
That' not the case

how? As we dont not insist anyone goes out, or performs any recovery they dont wish too? All we do is tell people that are as close as we can get to a problem about the LZ thread and supply whatever info we can. From that point it is their decision what to do, if anything.

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

Dippypud said:
Unless trailered ...

notice I said towed , not trailered......LOL.

You know very well what I meant ....

Cheers

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
who said amateurs?

One of those involved in the Welsh do is a mountain rescue wallah.

Mountain rescue are amateurs. And one on his own is like one fireman at a fire.

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
Mountain rescue are amateurs. And one on his own is like one fireman at a fire.

but experienced.

sometimes it only needs one fireman.

we are arguing semantics.

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
how? As we dont not insist anyone goes out, or performs any recovery they dont wish too? All we do is tell people that are as close as we can get to a problem about the LZ thread and supply whatever info we can. From that point it is their decision what to do, if anything.

Simply, people were at risk and came to harm. You don't seem to appreciate that.

goonarmy · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
but experienced.

sometimes it only needs one fireman.

we are arguing semantics.

Nonsense. You are defending something that is indefensible. We were lucky last night. Very.

The Mad Hat Man · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
Simply, people were at risk and came to harm. You don't seem to appreciate that.

i appreciate all you say.
The harm was due to an unfit person trying to attempt a rescue he was not suited for. If people put themselves at risk, then that was their decision. No-one on here asked them to do so. You dont seem to appreciate that. We cannot be responsible for people making unwise decisions.

Balbas · Dec 30, 2017

goonarmy said:
Mountain rescue are amateurs. And one on his own is like one fireman at a fire.

By one definition yes they are unpaid therefore they are amateurs.

But they train regularly, they develop and display skills according to a set syllabus and certainly my lot were regularly required to demonstrate certain parts of their skill set. So by that definition they conformed to a professional standard

Dippypud · Dec 30, 2017

neilly said:
notice I said towed , not trailered......LOL.

You know very well what I meant ....

Cheers

Would a spec lift count then ?

neilly · Dec 30, 2017

The Mad Hat Man said:
We cannot be responsible for people making unwise decisions.

True, But howabout a sort of traffic light system for LZIR. I understand it would not be completley foolproof or lie proof, But it would give a level of understanding in what may be needed on a particular rescue.

Terrain: roadside ( green) / greenlane requiring 4wd (Amber) / Serious off road ready vehicle (red)
Kit required :Smiling face and a warm car to sit in ( green) / Spanners and tow kit ( Amber ) / Winch straps etc ( Red)
Weather the rescuer should be able to look that up while NOT checking on insurance, TAX and MOT.

Cheers

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