Modifying a TB setup with larger injectors???

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Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup and
headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for getting
parts of this nature?
Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.

Thanks.
Andy



 

"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
> modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup and
> headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for getting
> parts of this nature?
> Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.
>
> Thanks.
> Andy


A stock TB injector, and its computer system should be easily capable of
handling the headers and ram air.


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"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
> modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup and
> headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for getting
> parts of this nature?
> Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.


1) you install 'larger injectors'
2) the O2 sensor sees a 'rich' exhaust
3) ECM cuts back IPW (Injector Pulse Width) to return air-fuel ratio to
ideal
4) you're back to Square One

better course is to make sure fuel pressure is up to par, and change fuel
filter regularly



 
Gary is absolutely correct, tweak the rail pressure first (9-13psi),
then read these articles:

http://chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/148_0307_tbi

http://www.goingfaster.com/spo/modthel03.html

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> "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
> > modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup

and
> > headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for

getting
> > parts of this nature?
> > Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.

>
> 1) you install 'larger injectors'
> 2) the O2 sensor sees a 'rich' exhaust
> 3) ECM cuts back IPW (Injector Pulse Width) to return air-fuel ratio to
> ideal
> 4) you're back to Square One
>
> better course is to make sure fuel pressure is up to par, and change fuel
> filter regularly
>
>
>



 
Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the budget to
try out some of this stuff.
Andy

"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
> modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup and
> headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for getting
> parts of this nature?
> Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.
>
> Thanks.
> Andy
>
>
>



 

"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the budget

to
> try out some of this stuff.
> Andy
>
> "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can be
> > modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup

and
> > headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for

getting
> > parts of this nature?
> > Looking for opinions and any advice that might be helpful.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Andy
> >



I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the computer
into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get though.

Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick deal that gives you
a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on the fly. When you
choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a little, and feel
it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank of bad gas, or are
towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.

Later, B.


 
Brian:

How does this MSD box work/mount? For my vehicle below, what special
modifications would I need? I went to this link and there's two different
types of units. Which would I need?
http://store.wpsracing.com/msdadtimcon.html

Appreciate the education.

Andy



"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the

budget
> to try out some of this stuff.
> > Andy
> >
> > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350 can

be modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup
> and headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for

getting parts of this nature? Looking for opinions and any advice that might
be helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Andy
> > >

>
>
> I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the

computer into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get
though.
>
> Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick deal that gives

you a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on the fly. When
you
> choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a little, and feel

it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank of bad gas, or are
> towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.
>
> Later, B.
>
>



 
Hey Andy,
Without running out to the truck to be sure, I believe it is this one.
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=164290&prmenbr=361
#121-8683
I can double check if you like, of just give Jegs a call.
It was easy to install, you tap into a couple wires at the coil, power and
ground the box, and run the wire and knob to the dash.
It is CA smog legal too, or at least was a few years ago.
I'll double check the info if you like, lemme' know.
Brian.


"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Brian:
>
> How does this MSD box work/mount? For my vehicle below, what special
> modifications would I need? I went to this link and there's two different
> types of units. Which would I need?
> http://store.wpsracing.com/msdadtimcon.html
>
> Appreciate the education.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the

> budget
> > to try out some of this stuff.
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350

can
> be modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup
> > and headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for

> getting parts of this nature? Looking for opinions and any advice that

might
> be helpful.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > Andy
> > > >

> >
> >
> > I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the

> computer into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get
> though.
> >
> > Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick deal that gives

> you a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on the fly.

When
> you
> > choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a little, and

feel
> it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank of bad gas, or

are
> > towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.
> >
> > Later, B.
> >
> >

>
>



 
Andy,
I checked under the hood, and yes, it is a MSD 8683.
B.


"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey Andy,
> Without running out to the truck to be sure, I believe it is this one.
>

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=164290&prmenbr=361
> #121-8683
> I can double check if you like, of just give Jegs a call.
> It was easy to install, you tap into a couple wires at the coil, power and
> ground the box, and run the wire and knob to the dash.
> It is CA smog legal too, or at least was a few years ago.
> I'll double check the info if you like, lemme' know.
> Brian.
>
>
> "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Brian:
> >
> > How does this MSD box work/mount? For my vehicle below, what special
> > modifications would I need? I went to this link and there's two

different
> > types of units. Which would I need?
> > http://store.wpsracing.com/msdadtimcon.html
> >
> > Appreciate the education.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the

> > budget
> > > to try out some of this stuff.
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500 350

> can
> > be modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air setup
> > > and headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources for

> > getting parts of this nature? Looking for opinions and any advice that

> might
> > be helpful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the

> > computer into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get
> > though.
> > >
> > > Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick deal that

gives
> > you a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on the fly.

> When
> > you
> > > choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a little, and

> feel
> > it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank of bad gas, or

> are
> > > towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.
> > >
> > > Later, B.
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
Brian:
So, from what I read on this module, an MSD 6-Series, SCI, 7-, 8- or
10-Series Ignition Control.is used in conjuction with it, right? Is this
worth the effort and money? The way your post reads, you're just using the
timing module; what kind of results are you getting?
Andy

"Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Andy,
> I checked under the hood, and yes, it is a MSD 8683.
> B.
>
>
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hey Andy,
> > Without running out to the truck to be sure, I believe it is this one.
> >

>

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=164290&prmenbr
=361
> > #121-8683
> > I can double check if you like, of just give Jegs a call. > > It was

easy to install, you tap into a couple wires at the coil, power and ground
the box, and run the wire and knob to the dash. It is CA smog legal too, or
at least was a few years ago.
> > I'll double check the info if you like, lemme' know.
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Brian:
> > >
> > > How does this MSD box work/mount? For my vehicle below, what special

modifications would I need? I went to this link and there's two
> different
> > > types of units. Which would I need?
> > > http://store.wpsracing.com/msdadtimcon.html
> > >
> > > Appreciate the education.
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at the

budget to try out some of this stuff.
> > > > > Andy
> > > > >
> > > > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500

350 can be modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air
setup
> > > > and headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources

for getting parts of this nature? Looking for opinions and any advice that
> > mightbe helpful.
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > >
> > > > I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the

computer into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get
> > > though. Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick deal

that gives you a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on the
fly.
> > When you choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a

little, and feel it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank of
bad gas, or
> > are towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.
> > > >
> > > > Later, B.




 

"AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Brian:
> So, from what I read on this module, an MSD 6-Series, SCI, 7-, 8- or
> 10-Series Ignition Control.is used in conjuction with it, right? Is this
> worth the effort and money? The way your post reads, you're just using

the
> timing module; what kind of results are you getting?
> Andy
>
> "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Andy,
> > I checked under the hood, and yes, it is a MSD 8683.
> > B.
> >
> >
> > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hey Andy,
> > > Without running out to the truck to be sure, I believe it is this one.
> > >

> >

>

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=164290&prmenbr
> =361
> > > #121-8683
> > > I can double check if you like, of just give Jegs a call. > > It was

> easy to install, you tap into a couple wires at the coil, power and ground
> the box, and run the wire and knob to the dash. It is CA smog legal too,

or
> at least was a few years ago.
> > > I'll double check the info if you like, lemme' know.
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Brian:
> > > >
> > > > How does this MSD box work/mount? For my vehicle below, what special

> modifications would I need? I went to this link and there's two
> > different
> > > > types of units. Which would I need?
> > > > http://store.wpsracing.com/msdadtimcon.html
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate the education.
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Brian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > Thanks to all for the replies and suggestions. I'm looking at t

he
> budget to try out some of this stuff.
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "AndyW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > > > Is there a way that a stock throttle body on a 1994 GMC K1500

> 350 can be modified with larger injectors? A bit more fuel with a ram air
> setup
> > > > > and headers should equate to a bit more snort, right? Any sources

> for getting parts of this nature? Looking for opinions and any advice that
> > > mightbe helpful.
> > > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > I've thought for a while about getting one of these to "trick" the

> computer into running more rich. Seems a little pricy for what you get
> > > > though. Also, I run a MSD adjustable timing module. Its a slick

deal
> that gives you a knob on the dash, allowing you to adjust the timing on

the
> fly.
> > > When you choose to, you can run premium fuel, bump the timing up a

> little, and feel it pull noticably better. Conversely, if you get a tank

of
> bad gas, or
> > > are towing, you retard the timing so it doesn't ping on you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Later, B.



Hey Andy,
The 8683 is a stand-alone unit. You just power it and tap into a couple of
coil wires. I think it is very much worth the money, but I am also a
gadget/tinkerer type of guy. I will reach up and tweak the timing as I
drive.
You can actually feel the truck pull stronger as you advance the timing.
You'll just need to pay pretty close attention to the motor and it's sounds
if you are running more advance than stock settings. As you advance the
timing the moter becomes more suseptable to pinging, which can loosely be
described as the fuel mixture exploding, rather than burning in a controlled
manner. Prolonged severe pinging WILL ruin your engine, so you'll need to
keep that in the back of your mind at all times if you're messing with the
timing.
That said, you can feel a little more power with better gas, and advanced
timing. What that equates to in numbers I don't know... maybe 3 or 5 hp?
Also, you could just skip installing the ignition control and advance your
timing a few degrees from stock, and run premium fuel. But pay close
attention for pinging.
The convenience of adjusting for gas, load, driving style, etc. makes the
MSD box very worth it to me.
Hope this helps,
Brian.


 
Thanks for the info.
>
> Hey Andy,
> The 8683 is a stand-alone unit. You just power it and tap into a couple

of
> coil wires. I think it is very much worth the money, but I am also a
> gadget/tinkerer type of guy. I will reach up and tweak the timing as I
> drive.
> You can actually feel the truck pull stronger as you advance the timing.
> You'll just need to pay pretty close attention to the motor and it's

sounds
> if you are running more advance than stock settings. As you advance the
> timing the moter becomes more suseptable to pinging, which can loosely be
> described as the fuel mixture exploding, rather than burning in a

controlled
> manner. Prolonged severe pinging WILL ruin your engine, so you'll need to
> keep that in the back of your mind at all times if you're messing with the
> timing.
> That said, you can feel a little more power with better gas, and advanced
> timing. What that equates to in numbers I don't know... maybe 3 or 5 hp?
> Also, you could just skip installing the ignition control and advance your
> timing a few degrees from stock, and run premium fuel. But pay close
> attention for pinging.
> The convenience of adjusting for gas, load, driving style, etc. makes the
> MSD box very worth it to me.
> Hope this helps,
> Brian.
>
>



 
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