missing prop shaft

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Hi i have just bought my first freelander a 1998 XEDI when i bought it i noticed the rear prop shaft had been removed foolishly i thought no problem just buy one and replace it then after speaking to a mechanic realized it may not be that easy he mentioned the transfer box could be a problem and they are expensive i really like the car and would like to return it to how it should be my question is is there any way of checking if it is just a prop shaft or if its going to need a transfer box
new to the site so sorry if this as already been covered
thanks in advance andy
 
Thanks for the speedy reply sounds like its not the bargain i thought it was will ring my insurance in the morning then consider my options
 
If you knew it had no prop shaft - then you can't really return it because its not there.

As MHM says - you need to let your insurance co know its been converted to 2WD as it may alter your premiums or they may not insure it.

Freelander does not have a "transfer box" as you would have in most 4x4 trucks. Its design is essentially a front wheel drive setup, but the front diff also has a PTO drive to the rear axle. This diff/PTO combo is called the IRD. To stop wind up the prop shaft to the back axle is split into 2 pieces and there is a VCU in the middle that allows the 2 axles to turn with small differences (eg for cornering) but when there are larger differences (eg the car loses traction) it will 'lock up' to ensure both axles are turning.

Sometimes people are lucky and the props were only removed because the bearings supporting the VCU were shot - in which case replacement props, VCU and bearings will restore the transmission.

More likely though is that there has been some form of 'wind up' in the transmission. This can be caused by not running 4 identical make/model or tyres or the VCU getting overly stiff. If the issue was noticed early enough and the props removed - then the IRD and rear diff may not have been damaged - but often they are.

You can check the IRD's condition by changing its oil - if it comes out greyish - that is the ground down bearings immersed in the oil and the IRD is gone. The oil of course may have been changed after any damage was done - so even if it looks OK that's no guarantee. You should feel for any lateral play in the pinion driving the prop shaft - there should be none. When the oil is out, you should also remove the pinion and check the condition of the teeth on the gear that is on the end of it and the gear it mates to. You should also check that there is no play where the drivers side drive shaft slots into the IRD - its support bearing is also another high wear area, although you would probably feel vibration if this was an issue.

These should give you an idea of the IRD's condition. If you need a reconditioned IRD they are about £700 from a reputable supplier. If the pinion/crown gears are not broken or worn, then you can buy bearing/cooler/seal kits for about £150 if you want to recondition it yourself (the gears are expensive so a recon unit makes sense if they're gone).

If you get props and VCU from a breakers - the VCU will probably be shot (to tight). You should test it and expect to need a reconditioned unit and new support bearings - about £270.

Labour charges are on top of this.

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/tests-new-freelander-owners-should-do-on-their-car.312863/

Reputable supplier of parts...

http://www.bellengineering.co.uk/freelander-1-products/

Freelander is generally a pretty reliable car - it is this area of the transmission that has to be monitored and can cause big issues if not. The XEDI L Series diesels are probably the most reliable, I love mine and it has given me very little grief in my 7 years of ownership.
 
It's not necessarily the IRD (Freelander's TB) is damaged. It's entirely possible that the VCU (can shaped thing) has begun to stiffen. Removing the prop is a way to avoid replacing the VCU. You can get an idea of the IRD's condition by changing the oil. If the oil is black, then it's likely the IRD is fine. If the oil comes out grey or with metallic particles in it, the a replacement IRD will be needed. The VCU will need to be checked for stiffening, before refitting a replacement prop. However the VCU is the primary cause of IRD failure. Incorrect tyre maintenance is the cause of VCU stiffening and eventual IRD failure.
A reconditioned VCU is around £250 and will take any decent mechanic under an hour to fit. A reconditioned IRD is about £500 and will take around 3 hours to replace.
Use Bell Engineering for all reconditioned Freelander 4X4 components. ;)
 
Hi i bought it private. dont mind spending some money on it i bought it at what i consider a bargain price so expected some problems i think i will take it to the garage in the morning let them take a look although i dont mind getting my hands dirty it all sounds a bit complex for me
 
You should trust in yourself :)

I had told myself that I was never going to be shafted again by a garage and I was going to do all my own maintenance - I'm no ninga mechanic, just a bloke with a Halfords socket set! Unfortunately the first thing that happened was the transmission in my Freelander going bang!

The thought of stripping out the props & IRD, fixing it and putting it all back together was daunting - but I did it and its been working OK for 4 years. Its a lot easier if you have a decent amount of space under the car - eg an inspection pit - I wouldn't want to tackle the job with just axle stands - although plenty do.
 
It will probably cost more than the car is worth to put it back to 4wd so unless you really need 4wd it will be fine as it is, as Nodge said many cars have the propshaft removed because sellers can't be bothered fixing duff VCU's and support bearings.
If you can do the work yourself then go ahead, you'll have a lot of fun sorting all the wee issues that crop up with older cars, otherwise make sure you find a good independent who is familiar with Freelanders.
 
think you have just solved my problem if leaving it as it is is fine thats what i will do it drives fine think i would be better saving my towards a newer freelander
thanks everyone for your advice
 
think you have just solved my problem if leaving it as it is is fine thats what i will do it drives fine think i would be better saving my towards a newer freelander
thanks everyone for your advice
You got that right until the last bit about buying a newer Freelander.

The L Series is the BEST Freelander - newer is not necessarily better :)

When I rebuilt my car's transmission, I removed the gear off the top of the pinion. I did this due to the huge cost in purchasing and shipping the gears and VCU over here - plus I was thoroughly ****ed off at the time that it had happened and I didn't want it happening again. So for the last 4 years the car has been carrying all the original equipment (inc props & VCU) but it has been 2WD. I did it like this rather than removing the props so that it did not need an expensive certification process to be done to pass WOFs (MOTs). As you know the car drives great, and it has had bring good reliability. I still take it down the river bed when I go fishing, but choose my route more carefully and keep up a little more speed, and I don't now venture onto the beach (which is a shame cos it was great on the beach!). The TC cuts in sometimes to help it in these conditions. I've only needed to be pulled out of situations where I've lost traction twice, both on the same day, once from a river bed up in the mountains where I should definitely not have been and the other time from a bit of flat wet grass that was a pub car park :)

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