4Bee4Bee
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Looks like I need to spend some more time and money getting to the bottom of my smokey TD4. To cut a long story short, it sat unused for most of 2020 due to lockdown. It was working fine last February, but a year on it's a different story. Smoking like hell once revved or driven, and now a strange reading on the original MAF and its brand new replacement.
I've managed to get an old Hawkeye on 2003 TD4, and airflow at tick over of 780RPM reports 457 mg/stroke. If I give it some throttle, the MAF reading starts decreasing straight away. While stationary, taking it to 2500RPM the MAF reading drops to 343 mg/stroke. Kicking out a nice lot of white/possibly blueish smoke in there process. The tick over MAF reading is below what it should be. 515 seems to be the default, and what I've seen others read on YouTube etc. But the decreased reading definitely seems wrong with increased throttle.
It does this on both the old and the brand new Bosch MAF. Disconnecting the MAF to run with the defaults shows how the MAF should increase, where it should be over 800 mg/stroke at 2500RPM. It makes no difference to the running of the engine disconnected. It still chucks out plumes of smoke.
Two MAFs, and no MAF, all doing the same thing, make more think it's not the MAF, and something else (possibly obstructing airflow, or a leak into the system?) causing the problem.
I wondered if anyone had had experience of this before I go trying to get at the turbo, which seems to be the only major thing in the airflow to the engine that could be a problem. I guess there could be a hole in the intercooler, so maybe air is getting sucked in there. The induction hoses are all good condition silicon hoses., and connections tight. EGR is stuck shut, so acting as a bypass.
No increase in boost pressure noticed on the MAP. But the high pressure rail starts off at 28,000 kPA and rises with throttle.
I've tried the tissue paper test on the hose that goes into the intercooler from the turbo. Revved for 20-30s and no marks appear. But I would say the EGR and inlet manifold that were cleaned perfectly before I started her up again, now have an oily film over them again, with the engine hardly being run since replacement. So I wonder if failing turbo seals are still a probably possibility.
Other things that have been done.
- New fuel.
- New fuel filter
- New air filter
- New oil and oil filter
- New breather filter, and since checked again and it's still perfectly clean after running a few smokey tests
- Inlet filter and EGR degunked, and nice and clean - horrendous job
- 4 refurbished injectors - two of the originals were kaput, causing misfiring and proper white smoke at idle, so changed all 4, as the engine has 120,000 miles on the clock, so were probably not their best.
- Vacuum hoses checked and chaffed ones replaced.
A lot of time and money now spent on this now, so hoping I can soon having it running again. Any suggestions as to if I'm on the right or wrong track much appreciated. In the meantime, as time allows, I'll get to the bottom of this and report back as to what it eventually turns out to be.
I've managed to get an old Hawkeye on 2003 TD4, and airflow at tick over of 780RPM reports 457 mg/stroke. If I give it some throttle, the MAF reading starts decreasing straight away. While stationary, taking it to 2500RPM the MAF reading drops to 343 mg/stroke. Kicking out a nice lot of white/possibly blueish smoke in there process. The tick over MAF reading is below what it should be. 515 seems to be the default, and what I've seen others read on YouTube etc. But the decreased reading definitely seems wrong with increased throttle.
It does this on both the old and the brand new Bosch MAF. Disconnecting the MAF to run with the defaults shows how the MAF should increase, where it should be over 800 mg/stroke at 2500RPM. It makes no difference to the running of the engine disconnected. It still chucks out plumes of smoke.
Two MAFs, and no MAF, all doing the same thing, make more think it's not the MAF, and something else (possibly obstructing airflow, or a leak into the system?) causing the problem.
I wondered if anyone had had experience of this before I go trying to get at the turbo, which seems to be the only major thing in the airflow to the engine that could be a problem. I guess there could be a hole in the intercooler, so maybe air is getting sucked in there. The induction hoses are all good condition silicon hoses., and connections tight. EGR is stuck shut, so acting as a bypass.
No increase in boost pressure noticed on the MAP. But the high pressure rail starts off at 28,000 kPA and rises with throttle.
I've tried the tissue paper test on the hose that goes into the intercooler from the turbo. Revved for 20-30s and no marks appear. But I would say the EGR and inlet manifold that were cleaned perfectly before I started her up again, now have an oily film over them again, with the engine hardly being run since replacement. So I wonder if failing turbo seals are still a probably possibility.
Other things that have been done.
- New fuel.
- New fuel filter
- New air filter
- New oil and oil filter
- New breather filter, and since checked again and it's still perfectly clean after running a few smokey tests
- Inlet filter and EGR degunked, and nice and clean - horrendous job
- 4 refurbished injectors - two of the originals were kaput, causing misfiring and proper white smoke at idle, so changed all 4, as the engine has 120,000 miles on the clock, so were probably not their best.
- Vacuum hoses checked and chaffed ones replaced.
A lot of time and money now spent on this now, so hoping I can soon having it running again. Any suggestions as to if I'm on the right or wrong track much appreciated. In the meantime, as time allows, I'll get to the bottom of this and report back as to what it eventually turns out to be.