M57 classic conversion

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liamoc

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Hi all,

Has anyone put an M57 (530d) engine into a classic ?
Interested in any pointers you may have.
Particularly wondering if the zf box will be able to handle the power from this engine or what options are there ?

Thanks.
 
Datatek said:
Because there are a lot of much better engines out there. BMW had no in house diesel experience when they finally decided they had to add oil burners to their range. The engines are nothing special.

Peugeot, and Jap stuff is much better IMO:)
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so the 3.o sd twin turbo is no good, believe me its an excellent engine ive had one 286 bhp/ 580nm in standard form then can be remapped to330bhp and around 700nm torque
 
Understand all engines have for and against. What sort of torque can the
gearbox cope with ?
 
johnlad said:
so the 3.o sd twin turbo is no good, believe me its an excellent engine ive had one 286 bhp/ 580nm in standard form then can be remapped to330bhp and around 700nm torque
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We are talking about an engine for a classic not a fecking racing car. That's a new generation engine. Still think, given my experience of BMW quality control, that they are crap.
You can re-map a Transit engine to give 200BHP if you feel so inclined, how long they last is another matter.
 
Datatek said:
We are talking about an engine for a classic not a fecking racing car. That's a new generation engine. Still think, given my experience of BMW quality control, that they are crap.
You can re-map a Transit engine to give 200BHP if you feel so inclined, how long they last is another matter.
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Data I encourage you to drive one of the original BMW M5's - they're a dream :)
However I agree with regards to the superior options - personally I'd have a Honda VTEC - statistically most reliable in the world!
 
TCubed said:
Data I encourage you to drive one of the original BMW M5's - they're a dream :)
However I agree with regards to the superior options - personally I'd have a Honda VTEC - statistically most reliable in the world!
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That's petrol, I thought we we on diesels:confused: Not many original M5's still running over here, another short lived car.
As for Honda VTec, I used to do the software for a Honda franchised garage, I won't tell you what the mechs there thought of them and thirsty or what. They lent me an early Vtec engined car to go to a Honda seminar, can't remember the capacity of the engine but I do remember it turned in less than 20mpg. Honda's are super reliable though. Ive had cars and bikes but again the VFR800 Vtec was a dog, abrupt power delivery and thirsty.
The last reliability survey on new cars had Jaguar at the top knocking Lexus down to second spot, Hyundai are also now ahead of Honda according to another survey.:)
Having said that, I'm a great fan of Honda, I had one of the first bikes ever imported, a Benly super sport CB92:D
 
Getting it running is not the problem-don't need expensive ecu,remember not going into p38 so can run stand alone.

Gearbox is the issue,specifically looking for information on the strength of the box as this engine has powerful torque.

Anybody know about this ?
 
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liamoc said:
Getting it running is not the problem-don't need expensive ecu,remember not going into p38 so can run stand alone.
gearbox is the issue, anybody know about this ?
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i believe mike from Dynachip is running a 3.0diesel engine from an early X5 in a landrover, he uses it in a racing series he competes in, maybe he could give you some info
 
Thats great,Thanks.
Conversion is not going to be cheap but want it to be right,
I know I can mate box from P38 and run it from a compushift box(795 quid)
but am hoping to get away with classic zf and change the bell housing but just afraid of hearing a big metallic bang !!
 
Datatek said:
That's petrol, I thought we we on diesels:confused: Not many original M5's still running over here, another short lived car.
As for Honda VTec, I used to do the software for a Honda franchised garage, I won't tell you what the mechs there thought of them and thirsty or what. They lent me an early Vtec engined car to go to a Honda seminar, can't remember the capacity of the engine but I do remember it turned in less than 20mpg. Honda's are super reliable though. Ive had cars and bikes but again the VFR800 Vtec was a dog, abrupt power delivery and thirsty.
The last reliability survey on new cars had Jaguar at the top knocking Lexus down to second spot, Hyundai are also now ahead of Honda according to another survey.:)
Having said that, I'm a great fan of Honda, I had one of the first bikes ever imported, a Benly super sport CB92:D
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Ah fair point on the petrol :p
I hesitate on the Jag thing, my X-Type's 2.0 diesel is one of the unreliable (newer) cars I've ever had - converts diesel into smoke mostly :rolleyes: not to mention the failed clutch and failed fuel pump..
I tend only to look at outboard engines in detail - and there Honda's vtec's are king of the 4 strokes, with Evinrude for the 2 strokes
Not a fan of bikes myself I'm afraid, although I do want to put a jet engine on the back of a bicycle :D
 
TCubed said:
Ah fair point on the petrol :p
I hesitate on the Jag thing, my X-Type's 2.0 diesel is one of the unreliable (newer) cars I've ever had - converts diesel into smoke mostly :rolleyes: not to mention the failed clutch and failed fuel pump..
I tend only to look at outboard engines in detail - and there Honda's vtec's are king of the 4 strokes, with Evinrude for the 2 strokes
Not a fan of bikes myself I'm afraid, although I do want to put a jet engine on the back of a bicycle :D
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As outboards seem from my experience to run at pretty constant speed, flat out, I wonder what the advantage is in the complication of Vtec?
I always liked the Honda outboard because it was quiet and easy to start with no friggin about with oil mixes. These day I would guess that the strokers have seprate oil supply like scoots.
 
I would personally go for a Jap engine over a BMW anyday, and conversion kits are easier to come by. Peugeot build a great diesel engine, they just use wet string as wire so if you have the skills to re-wire a peugeot they are great!!
 
Datatek said:
As outboards seem from my experience to run at pretty constant speed, flat out, I wonder what the advantage is in the complication of Vtec?
I always liked the Honda outboard because it was quiet and easy to start with no friggin about with oil mixes. These day I would guess that the strokers have seprate oil supply like scoots.
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Yeah the Evinrudes have whatever the modern day equivalent of a VRO is and automix the oil. Regarding the Hondas, I presume that since they are usually under constant load, the electronics make sure they're as efficient as possible to reduce wear..? I've got a Tohatsu (Nissan) which is pinpoint reliable so tbh I'm not entirely sure of the difference between all the Jap brands these days.
 
TCubed said:
Yeah the Evinrudes have whatever the modern day equivalent of a VRO is and automix the oil. Regarding the Hondas, I presume that since they are usually under constant load, the electronics make sure they're as efficient as possible to reduce wear..? I've got a Tohatsu (Nissan) which is pinpoint reliable so tbh I'm not entirely sure of the difference between all the Jap brands these days.
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I had a little Tohatsu on my tender dingy, as you say, totaly reliable:D
 
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