M/T tyres.

I apologise this has probably been covered to death but a quick search hasn't got me the answer.

Sat in the middle of a field once again found and invisible wet patch and waiting for somebody to come and pull me out.
Thunk it may be time to invest in some M/T tyres, A/T's just don't seem to be cutting the mustard, does anybody know what the closest equivalent to a 255/65/16 is, looked at insa turbos but they don't seem to have the same size as what's already on.

Also any views on the insa turbos?

Insa Turbo what - Which ones? They make lots of different models...
I had some Insa Turbo Traction Trak (BFG Trac Edge copy) and they were very good, but didn't last very long and were incredibly noisy for a tyre that wasn't as aggressive as say the Insa turbo Special Track.

I've now gone over to the new Cooper Discoverer STT PRO and they are a more aggressive mud tyre than the Traction Trak, but are very quiet! They're not remoulds like the insa turbo so are definitely better quality and will last longer, but were only a few quid more (c.£10-14 per tyre extra).

KyleAsh91 said:

I apologise this has probably been covered to death but a quick search hasn't got me the answer.

Sat in the middle of a field once again found and invisible wet patch and waiting for somebody to come and pull me out.
Thunk it may be time to invest in some M/T tyres, A/T's just don't seem to be cutting the mustard, does anybody know what the closest equivalent to a 255/65/16 is, looked at insa turbos but they don't seem to have the same size as what's already on.

Also any views on the insa turbos?

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Doubt if tyres alone are the cause of your getting stuck. Learning to read the ground as to where and when you can or cant go works best. Walking ahead if in doubt, if you sink in, it will too!

Insas are fine, quite good value, but dont expect them to last as long or be as quiet as a premium tyre.

Like he says^^^^^^, they come in a lot of types, their AT is called Ranger, then they go up in aggresion through Dakars, which are an all rounder, then on to Special Track whicch are better for trial and farm use.

Personally a favour a thinner tyre, it is very greasy here, I like the way the thin tyres cut in and hold on sideslopes, and the way they displace the mud to find grip. I have 7.50R16 Fedima, another remould, but very good in mud. And 205R16 Insa Dakars, use them more for laning.

Yes I agree it's not all down to the tyres, but they certainly don't seem to be helping me right now, a mate came and pulled me out and he was on insa dakars, he had no problem, I'm just not overly keen on the idea of remould tyres but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

I don't use it for off road days or green laning it's purely on the farm, the wet patch Sunday just caught me out, walked in and a stomp around and seemed fine, got 3 quarters round and it just got too greasy. MRS wasn't best pleased lol

KyleAsh91 said:

Yes I agree it's not all down to the tyres, but they certainly don't seem to be helping me right now, a mate came and pulled me out and he was on insa dakars, he had no problem, I'm just not overly keen on the idea of remould tyres but maybe I'm just being paranoid.

I don't use it for off road days or green laning it's purely on the farm, the wet patch Sunday just caught me out, walked in and a stomp around and seemed fine, got 3 quarters round and it just got too greasy. MRS wasn't best pleased lol

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My Dakars have been fine, had em for years. I am on farm work all the time as well. I would put the Fedimas on if it was real bad.

Been using remoulds on old landies for years, over 30 at least. Not really had any issues. Had premium tyres too, think I would favour them if I was going for a lot of road work.

On farm work, odd trip to the shops doubt if it makes a lot of odds.

Turboman said:

My Dakars have been fine, had em for years. I am on farm work all the time as well. I would put the Fedimas on if it was real bad.

Been using remoulds on old landies for years, over 30 at least. Not really had any issues. Had premium tyres too, think I would favour them if I was going for a lot of road work.

On farm work, odd trip to the shops doubt if it makes a lot of odds.

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Probably 90% of my mileage is on the road, I work 5 days a week as well as on the farm but having the ability to reach areas of the farm by car has its advantages.

KyleAsh91 said:

Probably 90% of my mileage is on the road, I work 5 days a week as well as on the farm but having the ability to reach areas of the farm by car has its advantages.

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Provided you dont do too much high speed, you will be fine on remoulds.

Remoulds are fine by and large. But depends really.

What sort of vehicle are we talking about. Seems an odd size in your op.

Turboman said:

Provided you dont do too much high speed, you will be fine on remoulds.

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Do very few motorway miles, mostly country roads up to 60 and what motorway miles I do cover I rarely go over 75.

300bhp/ton said:

Remoulds are fine by and large. But depends really.

What sort of vehicle are we talking about. Seems an odd size in your op.

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It's a discovery 2 facelift. Seems a standard size if I punch my reg into tyre sites, comes up with 2 options, 255/65 and 235/70

KyleAsh91 said:

Do very few motorway miles, mostly country roads up to 60 and what motorway miles I do cover I rarely go over 75.



It's a discovery 2 facelift. Seems a standard size if I punch my reg into tyre sites, comes up with 2 options, 255/65 and 235/70

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In that case you can ignore most of that.

I assumed if it was on the farm it would be an old Ninety or simlar.

On my Disco, I have the 235s.

Should also mention I never use the disco off road, it is only on towing.

If you are doing lots of road miles, new over remould are nicer as a rule. But tbh, remoulds are fine to their rated speeds, same as anything else. And you'll often get more aggressive treads in remoulds.

But it will be a trade off, the better the tyres are off road, generally the worse they will be on road.

If you are looking at new tyres, I'd say look for MT's with sipes in, these will likely be better in the wet and snow than ones without.

Maxxis is offer some nice tyres, the Bighorns MT764 and 762. I also like the Trepadors if you want a directional tyre.

I also like the look of the Federal Courgia MT's.

And I'd also say look at the Copper STT Pro and the new General Grabber MT. All look like they should be nice multi purpose MT tyres.

If you fancy a remould, then I'd recommend the Geolander MT copies. Such as the Fedmia Extreme, although most remould makers sell a variant of this, so just have a look about.



It's super capable off road, but rides on the road far better than it should given it's off road credentials. However in the wet or ice it won't perform as well as the new tyres I mentioned above when used on tarmac, mostly because it has no sipes.

As for size, well tbh you only really need to keep it to a similar diameter you have now, you don't have to stick with that exact size. You can probably go +- inch on height too with no negative affects, although I probably wouldn't go shorter.

As a rule in the UK narrower tyres tend to work better in the mud than wide ones. Plenty of tyre calcs online to help you figure out what profiles you'd need for what widths.


As a side note, D2's rely on TCS to make all 4 wheels spin. Is your TCS working? Also to make the TCS work, you need to keep on the throttle a little bit. You need the wheel speed for it to work. Lastly, some years of D2 have a centre diff lock on the transfer box, but no linkage. It would be well worth retro fitting a linkage to make use of the diff lock. That way the TCS won't have to work quite so hard. All this should help maximise traction on slippery conditions, regardless of tyres.

Turboman said:

In that case you can ignore most of that.

I assumed if it was on the farm it would be an old Ninety or simlar.

On my Disco, I have the 235s.

Should also mention I never use the disco off road, it is only on towing.

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Yeah probably should have mentioned it was a D2, we gave up on 90s, we came to the conclusion that everybody else wanted them more than us but didn't want to pay for them. (Family had 3 stolen over the years)
It serves as the daily driver, family bus, tow vehicle and up and down the farm, definitely earns the MPV title for me lol.

300bhp/ton said:

If you are doing lots of road miles, new over remould are nicer as a rule. But tbh, remoulds are fine to their rated speeds, same as anything else. And you'll often get more aggressive treads in remoulds.

But it will be a trade off, the better the tyres are off road, generally the worse they will be on road.

If you are looking at new tyres, I'd say look for MT's with sipes in, these will likely be better in the wet and snow than ones without.

Maxxis is offer some nice tyres, the Bighorns MT764 and 762. I also like the Trepadors if you want a directional tyre.

I also like the look of the Federal Courgia MT's.

And I'd also say look at the Copper STT Pro and the new General Grabber MT. All look like they should be nice multi purpose MT tyres.

If you fancy a remould, then I'd recommend the Yeolander MT copies. Such as the Fedmia Extreme, although most remould makers sell a variant of this, so just have a look about.

It's super capable off road, but rides on the road far better than it should given it's off road credentials. However in the wet or ice it won't perform as well as the new tyres I mentioned above when used on tarmac, mostly because it has no sipes.

As for size, well tbh you only really need to keep it to a similar diameter you have now, you don't have to stick with that exact size. You can probably go +- inch on height too with no negative affects, although I probably wouldn't go shorter.

As a rule in the UK narrower tyres tend to work better in the mud than wide ones. Plenty of tyre calcs online to help you figure out what profiles you'd need for what widths.


As a side note, D2's rely on TCS to make all 4 wheels spin. Is your TCS working? Also to make the TCS work, you need to keep on the throttle a little bit. You need the wheel speed for it to work. Lastly, some years of D2 have a centre diff lock on the transfer box, but no linkage. It would be well worth retro fitting a linkage to make use of the diff lock. That way the TCS won't have to work quite so hard. All this should help maximise traction on slippery conditions, regardless of tyres.

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I'll have a shop around, probably worth paying a little extra and getting some new ones, especially with kids in the car at times.

The TCS works ok, was just top greasy on this occasion. Not really a fan of the TCS tbh I preferred diff lock on the old tdi I had going back a few years.
I'm just trying to find time to have a check to see if the internals are there on the transfer box and going to retrofit the doff lock if they are there. I currently have a snapped transfer linkage cable so 300tdi linkage with diff lock is actually the cheaper option

KyleAsh91 said:

Yeah probably should have mentioned it was a D2, we gave up on 90s, we came to the conclusion that everybody else wanted them more than us but didn't want to pay for them. (Family had 3 stolen over the years)
It serves as the daily driver, family bus, tow vehicle and up and down the farm, definitely earns the MPV title for me lol.

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All my landrovers have been multi purpose.
More grip on the tyres may help if it is greasy, but wet grass is always one of the most difficult surfaces, dont expect miracles.
The main concern I would have using a D2 on the farm would be the bumpers. After 17 years in the sun, the plastic moulded bumpers on mine are fragile as china!