Lisa Horton is One Smart Woman: SUVs Stink

>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
>
>Lisa

Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.

You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
nauseum.

Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded
to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease
to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs.

The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn
it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to
kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that steering
wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative
but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you
will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
your victims' car and taking them out as well.

There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and up?

One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
and go to prison penniless.

Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
triple safe.

"Nomen Nescio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing
> >that I can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck,
> >it would be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action
> >as a bonus.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes
> guts.

Yeah, it probably does. Almost as much as it takes to post to Usenet with a
fake name and anonymizing remailer software.

The trouble with Hortons is that they never know when to give up, even when
they are WRONG. Lisa must be a real close cousin. ;o)

Earle

---self-righteous rant snipped---

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never cease
> to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy SUVs.
>

It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
why that is not enough to be safe.
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Nomen Nescio wrote:

>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
>>
>>Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
> discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
> cease to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those
> tipsy SUVs.
>
> The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
> burn
> it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
> to kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that
> steering
> wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
> alternative but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car
> full of kids because if you try anything like steering around an emergency
> situation you will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your
> death slide into your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
> There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
> have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
> with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
> of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
> up?
>
> One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
> are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
> MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
> considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
> any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> and go to prison penniless.
>
> Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
> in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> triple safe.
You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the
anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts,
etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a
'79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working
at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory
sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92 minivan
with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel drive
with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I
drove it like any teenager with a v8 witha 4 barrel carb and never came
close to rolling it over. That 79 Blazer got 14MPG up and down the hills
of WV, I don't know the highway milage, but it didn't have OD so it
probabally wasn't much better. The 92 Minivan got 16-18 city and 25
highway, the highway milage was acceptable, but the city was not espically
when you consider the poor acceleration. My 88 S-10 hit 27MPG highway with
a load of wire racks and tools under an aluminum cap, granted it was a
manual transmission with no AC but also had no cruise. My parents had a 93
chevy blazer at the same time we had the minivan, it would get between
20-25mpg, it was about 3" shorter than the minivan so it blocked less
poeples views as well. I feel much safer shareing the road with SUV's than
I do minivans. Now when I talk about SUV's I mean real ones with frames
and RWD. So many of the new ones really are FWD minivans labeled as SUV's
with all the poor performance of a minivan to go with it. The truck based
SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their
driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the
brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight.
SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the
biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved
the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can
stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in
front of me.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> SUV's are some of the better vehicles out there, why? because their
> driveline components are oversized. Trucks are made to carry loads and the
> brakes and suspension have to be sized to account for that extra weight.
> SUV's by being built off those same truck frames get to share some of the
> biggr brakes and springs. The magazine tests won't show it but I've saved
> the life of many honda drivers by trading my mini van for a truck that can
> stop when they cut me off because their little car can fit in the space in
> front of me.
>

Speaking of saving Honda drivers I just pulled another econobox out of
the ditch yesterday with by dangerous SUV, this one was a Mazda but
what's the difference really. I've lost count how many strangers have
gotten a free tow from me over the years. Why can't these ****ty
drivers get it through their head that standing water and a car that
weights as much as a lawn mower = instant flight into the ditch.
Where's the web pages devoted to 1/4" tread depth tires on go carts
casing then to fly off into the ditch? I have never seen an actually
SUV roll over but I have seen dozens of hatch backs and sedans and
minivans nose down in the dirt.
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what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad
infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and
pretentious.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"Nomen Nescio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
: >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
: >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
: >
: >Lisa
:
: Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
:
: You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
: over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
: nauseum.
:
: Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
discarded
: to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
cease
: to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.
:
: The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
: it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
: kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that
steering
: wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
: but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
: because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
: will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
: your victims' car and taking them out as well.
:
: There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
: have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
: with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
: because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
: accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
: of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
: Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
: judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
up?
:
: One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
: already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
: are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
: MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
: considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
: CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
: launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
: any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
: depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
: Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
: and go to prison penniless.
:
: Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
: certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
: in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
: triple safe.
:

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>
> It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
> propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
> take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
> why that is not enough to be safe.
> --

uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave

> You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as the
> anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos, Scouts,
> etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers test in a
> '79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
> problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
> ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
> Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non working
> at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed advisory
> sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92
minivan
> with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel
drive
> with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I

(snip)

You must have abused the hell out of that minvan then. The last minivan I
drove was fine, as long as you replaced the OE tires the same day you took
delivery of it. Otherwise, it was a death trap for sure. But with decent
tires on it, it handled great. -Dave

Dave C. wrote:

>>It never ceases to amaze me the ignorance on a subject that can be
>>propagated by the media. My jacked up redneck SUV with big tires can
>>take any corner on any road at the posted speed limit. Explain to me
>>why that is not enough to be safe.
>>--
>
>
> uhhhhh . . . because there's zero margin of error? -Dave
>
>

That, and everyone else is driving faster than the speed limit.

nate

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Dave C. wrote:

>> You need to quit watching the news, SUV's don't roll over as easily as
>> the
>> anti-SUV crowd says. Think about it, Suburbans, Blazers, Broncos,
>> Scouts, etc have been around since the 50's and 60's, I took my drivers
>> test in a
>> '79 Blazer, they didn't roll over then, they weren't unsafe then. The
>> problem now is the drivers not the SUV's. The most dangerous vehicle I
>> ever owned was a minivan. Bad brakes, poor acceleration, poor handeling.
>> Going down mountain roads my brakes would fade to the point of non
>> working
>> at the bottom of the hill. Had to slow down 5-10 below the speed
>> advisory
>> sign on highway on ramps or it would lean way over. That was a '92
> minivan
>> with all the modern stuff, ABS, rack and pinion steering, front wheel
> drive
>> with AWD. In contrast the '79 Blazer was an old fashioned truck and I
>
> (snip)
>
> You must have abused the hell out of that minvan then. The last minivan I
> drove was fine, as long as you replaced the OE tires the same day you took
> delivery of it. Otherwise, it was a death trap for sure. But with decent
> tires on it, it handled great. -Dave
Driven no different than my S-10 with the original clutch and rotors at
170,000 miles, I'd still be driving it if it weren't for rust. The main
problem with Chrysler minivans is the lack of engine brakeing. You can
downshift and for a little while it will stay in the lower gear but then it
ignores the setting and upshifts. It was quite scary the first time going
down a big mountain. I thought something was wrong but the dealer pointed
out the page in the book where it does that to protect the transmission. I
had to replace the rotors and pads yearly on that thing.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing
that I
>>can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it
would
>>be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a
bonus.
>>
>>Lisa
>
>Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes
guts.

"redneck bozos" How do you figure that one?

Foksk who call Ms. Horton on her goofiness are redneck bozos for some
reason?

I never cease
>to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.

Many people are amazed by things that they can't comprehend.

The problem is you SUV owners are going to
>kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that
steering
>wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance.

Perhaps you would be scared ****less but many folks that can actually
drive certainly aren't.

You have no alternative
>but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of
kids
>because if you try anything like steering around an emergency
situation you
>will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide
into
>your victims' car and taking them out as well.

Bull****.

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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
<[email protected]> wrote:


>
>The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can burn
>it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going to
>kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that steering
>wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no alternative
>but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
>because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation you
>will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
>your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
>

Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties
for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath
caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a
few months in the can and lose their DL permanently.

My SUV Isuzu Bighorn (read Trooper if you're in the US), at 1980 Kg and big
brakes stops faster than my Nissan Laurel at 1275 Kg. in a crash with the
Bighorn, impact speeds will b lower, giving both vehicles occupants more
chance of surviving. The 2.8L Turbo Diesel in the Bighorn uses less fuel
than the 2L petrol in the Sedan. Add to that the fact that my Bighorn can
get right up the creek to the camp and I don't have to haul my dead deer 8
Km to the nearest road a car can manage and I'll stay with the SUV.


<aunt millie> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 01:00:03 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
> >it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
> >kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that
steering
> >wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
> >but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
> >because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
> >will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide
into
> >your victims' car and taking them out as well.
> >
> >
>
> Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
> control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
> don't care who they kill. That's why we need much stiffer penalties
> for traffic violations involving massive vehicles. Some psychopath
> caught driving a 7000 pound excursion at 80 mph or more should do a
> few months in the can and lose their DL permanently.

Suggesting that all SUV's are dangerous just because the handling properties
accredited to a curious narrow track, high c-o-g Japanese style jeep (a
Suzuki, but laterly known as the Geo Tracker) led to a succession of
rollovers and fatalitites in the hands of idiots is kinda like suggesting
that all cars are based on the Chevrolet Corvair (the car that spawned the
book "Unsafe at any speed") and, as such, should be banned from use on
public roads.. all vehicles are dangerous to the occupants and others if in
the 'wrong' hands.. as long as the SUV driver engages sense at the same time
as selecting 4WD, and the 'Hot' Honda Civic driver activates sense as well
as the 1000 watt stereo and the 'hydraulic' suspension, we should be able to
all get along without killing each other..

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"Nomen Nescio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Not being an SUV driver, I'd simply steer out of the way, knowing that I
> >can actually turn sharply without rolling over. With any luck, it would
> >be rainy, or on a curve, and I could see evolution in action as a bonus.
> >
> >Lisa
>
> Lisa, you scored with me. Taking on hundreds of redneck bozos takes guts.
>
> You must have been reading my posts, because I have said the same thing
> over and over and over again, almost to the point of ad infinitum & ad
> nauseum.
>
> Building cars in the 2000's with the balance (or lack of) of cars
discarded
> to the rubbish bin in the 1920's is the epitomy of hilarity. I never
cease
> to be amazed that so many fools are blowing their wads on those tipsy
SUVs.
>
> The problem with SUVs isn't fuel consumption. Its your gas. You can
burn
> it with a match for all I care. The problem is you SUV owners are going
to
> kill somebody with it because you are scared ****less to whip that
steering
> wheel back and forth to do a collision advoidance. You have no
alternative
> but to plow at full speed directly into some defenseless car full of kids
> because if you try anything like steering around an emergency situation
you
> will flip and kill yourself first, before continuing your death slide into
> your victims' car and taking them out as well.
>
> There is a way. If it can be reasonably demonstrated (51%) that you could
> have prevented a fatal by manuevering, but you didn't, I would charge you
> with frustrated manslaughter. Even though its really your SUV's fault
> because it steers like a battleship. I would also hold the manufacturer
> accountable for peddling off an accident waiting to happen. Prosecute some
> of those executives for conspiracy to commit unmitigated manslaughter.
> Don't fine them...they've already made monetary allowances for fines and
> judgments in the overcharges. Don't those trash heaps cost $30,000 and
up?
>
> One more thing for you out there that don't read my posts regularly. You
> already know how tipsy SUVs are. But its worse than you think. When they
> are loaded to maximum gross weight, including the roof rack load, they are
> MORE TIPSY. And when fuel is minimum, they are MORE TIPSY YET. All things
> considered, they are much much worse than you thought and worse than
> CONSUMER REPORTS THINK ALSO. I suggest all you SUV owners organize and
> launch a class-action suit to recover all the unused value (as if they had
> any to start with) left in your SUVs, based on a straight-lin 10 year
> depreciation. It will bankrupt the lenders, dealers, and manufacturers!
> Take the money and run before you flip and kill yourself or ram somebody
> and go to prison penniless.
>
> Federal Government: In between wars, set up the DOT so it regulates and
> certifies cars for roadworthiness just like you did private airplanes back
> in the '30s. Don't let any cars be sold for the road unless they are
> triple safe.
>

Eugene Nine <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Driven no different than my S-10 with the original clutch and rotors at
> 170,000 miles, I'd still be driving it if it weren't for rust.

If you got that thing to 170K on the original rotors in WV, you must
drive slower than my grandma - and she's dead.
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(Been there; done that)

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On or about Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Dave Milne of jeep@_nospam_milne.info wrote:

> what's with the Latin, guy who doesn't know his own name ? you were saying
> the same thing ad nauseam ad infinitum not "to the point of " ad nauseam, ad
> infinitum. If you are going to be pretentious, at least be correct and
> pretentious.

> "Nomen Nescio" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...

[bate snipped]

> Same damn thing happens with tractor trailers. The drivers can't
> control the things so they just barrell right on thru any problem and
> don't care who they kill.

You ever drive a tractor trailer?? You ever see how many stupid drivers
there are out there???

I was riding in a buddy's semi last week on a run... We were aproaching
a split in the interstate. 2 lanes go straight, 2 lanes exit to the right.
We were in the right hand lane for the straight pair. When we get to the
split a person in a car that was in the far right lane of the right split
realized that they were going the wrong way. They slammed on their brakes
and swerved sharply over into our lane.
When you're driving a 80,000 truck that's doing 60MPH and a car pulls in
front of you doing 20 you do not have many choices. There's no way you can
stop quick.... If you swerve sharply, you can jacknife the trailer or worse
yet roll the thing on it's side both of which would cause a major accident
and block the road for hours.
Fortunatly, in this case, there was no one on our left and the guy driving
was able to gently swerve around the offending car.....

It's not that semi drivers do not care... All that I've met are
courtous and professional drivers. The bigger issue is that people driving
smaller vehicles do not know or understand that a tractor trailer does not
react or handle like their car.

Mike