TWOC is recent used to be TDA, but TDA with or without consent caused problems hence TWOC, now if you give consent and they not insured you get done for 'permitting to drive with no insurance. the law as it relates to vehicle crime has extra layers etcAh yes. Taken into consideration. I remember him telling me how good that was. How they couldn't pin anything else on him. Then telling me how they had stitched him up because he got the full six months inside because of his list of extras. Originally he was only looking a (i think) a further driving ban and a fine!
It was him who told me how he learned the difference between TWOC, taking without the owners consent, and theft. TWOC means in effect joyriding. Where you nick a car but don't intend to keep it. Theft is when you intend to deprive the owner of his car.
He shot himself in the foot with that one too.
Norman Stanley Fletcher, he wasn't!
At least he's a good boy now. Has been for a long time. It's funny how a good woman can beat the stupid out of you
PILLOCK!
sadly civil law is a PIA they did not TAKE, they were given / entrusted whatever way you dress it up the issue here is FRAUD with an intent ot permanently deprive of asset which is why they are not being charged with theft and being charged with Fraud. THEY can claim failure to pay for goods and retain the entrusted asset as collaterol the small print will cover them for that. Proving a Mens Rea here (intention) is very difficult so the tenadancy is to prove a 'course of action on more than one occurance' showing a pattern of "mens Rea' AKA intention to defraud. the law is an ass you may have heard people say.Now yer unsplitting hairs.
There's value in what's taken even if say the engine is fuked. It's to our understanding they mostly want engines and gearboxes. Its said they ship them out of the uk. The rest of the vehicle disappears we assume as they're never found. By the time the owner realises... its probably already been 'processed' to hide it for good.
The case against them relates to bad business practice, of pushing up prices. Theres no case for nicking cars, regardless of how we describe their collection and none return scam. So looks like they will get away with that.
That 01952 code is Telford(Shropshire)A quick search on those phone numbers provides some interesting reading.
01952 424876:
01952424876
BMW engine for sale.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-3-SERIES-B47-2-0D-ENGINE-01952-424-876-/124211545797
ebay seller oddbazaar
ebay listing provides the following address which is a company dissolved in 2014.
odyssey bazaar ltd
nick catling
unit 3 Ebbsfleet farm,
jutes lane
Ramsgate
Kent
ct12 5fh
United Kingdom
Looking at the sellers account they currently have 220 vehicle related listings on ebay.
This particular listing shows an interesting photo. A recovery truck unloading a D4. Compare the building behind in the two photo's below. I think it's the same building in Sunbeam Street. Car pic from ebay listing. Street pic from street view online. So that links the new advert using a false company name to the location of the scam engine company this fred is about.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-RO...GINE-RECON-SERVICE-01952-424-876/124211583272
Sunbeam02 kav3DIT
Sunbeam01 t1xKj1k
0800 015 0269:
0800 0150269
08000150269
https://www.shpock.com/en-gb/i/XeVY_MNfeCAvQj4E/range-rover-p38-4-6-4-0-v8-engine
Name: Dynamic Automotive E
They have several adverts:
https://www.shpock.com/en-gb/users/XeVQb8JAtgKzdYzG/items
another:
https://www.gumtree.com/p/garage-me....7-v6-2720cc-supply-and-fit-engine/1359870035
Name: DYNAMIC AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERING
0800 056 7600:
0800 0567600
08000567600
Merc engine sale:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES...NE-SUPPLY-AND-FIT-0800-056-7600-/333614450698
ebay seller no1-direct
https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/no-1direct?_trksid=p2047675.l2559
60 items for sale.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/no-1direct/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
using address:
No1 Direct
First Floor, 100 high street
Henley in Arden
Warwickshire
B95 8BY
United Kingdom
Post code B95 8BY doesn't eggsist. If you change it to B95 5BY on the same street you get the white sawn pub which matches the rest of the address.
Can't find anything on No1-diret as a company.
Yup. They're advertising their details to be that of a dissolved company. It's against the rules to trade under the name of a dissolved company.
report to ebay fraud team...
Rest assured, the cars he borrowed were never with the driver's consent!
May I ask what happened? Collection of vehicle and money and it disappeared or did they take the vehicle for repair then increase the price agreed or you don't get the vehicle back?
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