Kaiser Lockers

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O Bife

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Hi all,

Has anybody come across these lockers made by the Brazilian firm Nekarth, the Kaiser Differential Locker

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By all accounts, Ashcroft have dropped the Detroit Lockers from their list and now are offering these "new" lockers in their place.
 
As with everything today it's most likely because they can sell them at a the same price as Detroits and buy them for a quarter of the price. If Brazil is owt like China and India the bearings will be made from compressed cow dung or hardened lead.
 
Well, since I started this thread I have had a good long chat with some people I know over in Brazil along with one of the guys who run the company producing these lockers and by what I have heard these things seem to be ok.

On top of that, I don't think a reputed company like Ashcroft would put something that isn't up to scratch on the market.

Like all things "new" there will be some speculation, but everything has it's starting point.

Dave Ashcroft told me about a thread about these lockers on another forum written buy a fellow Land Rover owner who fitted 2 of these lockers (front and rear) just over a year ago. It is basically a running commentary on the whole experience. It does shed light on to these things and makes rather good reading if you want to know a bit more about them. Here is a PDF version of what he wrote "Ian Gregory about the Kaisers" and here is the link to the forum: The D-90 Source (The thread in at the following location: Forum/Non-Technical Discussions/Misc. Chit-Chat/There is a new guy in the Locker Market...)

Here is just a bit of what he had to say after having used them for a time:
"...It does what is says on the tin. The Kaiser is an autolocker that is equally at home in the front as it is in the rear. It needs no input from the driver, no external activation systems to worry about, it's quiet, doesn't do anything odd like unloading at odd times, allows for driving on the street normally with full ability to steer but provides locked traction when its needed..."

It doesn't cost anything to check these sort of things out and if it's as good as they say, well, it might turn out to be a new option for some of us.
 
Has anyone from this forum fitted a Kaiser locker to their P38s ?
I'm starting to look into this but can't find many people using LSDs. Most guys that have lockers fitted seem to be using ARBs ?
 
Kaiser makes specific models for the P38.
Ashcroft sells a spacer ring that you can use to adapt the Defender's front and rear diffs to be used in the P38, so everything that's available to the Defenders becomes available for us.
 
I was down at Ashcrofts a month or two ago and David said they now do their own lockers. Sold over 1000 apparently.
He didn't say anything about Kaiser lockers but could possibly made for them by Kaiser?
 
I'm not 100% sure about this but from old posts, in another forum, Ashcroft used to sell Kaiser diffs. Don't know why they don't sell them anymore.
But they sell their own LSDs and, according to their site, the spacer ring that I was refering to seems to be aplicable in all sorts of diffs.
Do you know of anyone who has one of those Ashcroft diffs installed to a P38 ?
 
mcapinha Hi from Greece,

I have been cooperating with NEKARTH as their representative and distributor in Greece for the KAISER locker since 2010.

We have fitted some of them on the following range of vehicles:
Land Rover Defender D110 with the P38 rear axle,
Discovery 2 (front and rear axle),
Range Rover Classic (front axle),
Daihatsu Feroza (front axle),
Suzuki Grand Vitara (rear axle) and
Jeep Wrangler (front axle).
Mitsibushi Pinin (front and rear axle)

The following input was received from the end users:
1. Land Rover Defender D110 with the P38 rear axle and manual gearbox. The unit was removed from the vehicle following client's complains related to very noisy and inappropriate for road use operation and behaviour.
2. Discovery 2 V8 with automatic gearbox. The client has fitted only rear axle unit and has been extremely happy with its operation and the way it has totally transformed the handling and driving characteristics of the vehicle both on and off the road on conditions ranging from dry tarmac, to mud, snow, ice, sand, wet grass, gravel etc. He was so much happy with the general handling of the vehicle that he has never bothered to fit the front KAISER unit to the vehicle and therefore we have no input about how this unit would have behaved if fitted.
3. Range Rover Classic, V8, with automatic gearbox. The client has fitted it to the front axle. The vehicle is fitted with a rear 100% McNamara locker. Unfortunately the KAISER fitted on the front axle has made the vehicle almost too dangerous to drive on tarmac roads and it is to be removed soon.
4. Daihatsu Feroza. There were three units sold and fitted. On all occasions the owners of the vehicles have agreed that the KAISER is an extremely capable locker but it can only be used for offroad driving conditions. When the vehicle was driven on tarmac with the four wheel drive system engaged it could render the vehicle almost too dangerous to use or should be only used by a VERY experienced driver. (one of the users is racing with his Daihatsu on the Greek offroading championship)
5. Suzuki Grand Vitara. The unit was fitted on two different vehicles of the same type. On both occasions it has shown extremely noisy operation inappropriate for non experienced drivers when used on tarmac surfaced roads. On the other hand it was an absolute joy to use when driving offroad and it has totally transformed the capabilities of the vehicles in a positive way. On the first occasion the owner (who had initially ordered the unit) has removed it immediately due to the dangerous and noisy operation of the KAISER. The second user has fitted it to his vehicle and still makes use of it but his vehicle is used almost exclusively for offroad driving.
6. Jeep Wrangler. The owner has never got back with impression and I was unable to reach him so can not provide any input from him.
7. Mitsubishi Pinin. The owner first fitted the rear axle unit where he has found that it developed some noise and relatively "nervous" operation on tarmac use. It was extremely good and handled perfectly for offroad driving and on offroad condition or conditions of limited traction. When he has fitted the unit of the front axle he has decided to keep it but is not using four wheel drive on tarmac surfaced roads anymore since the KAISER makes the car almost dangerous to drive like that. On the other hand it has totally transformed (in a positive way) the capabilities of the Pinin when used for offroad driving or on very slippery conditions.

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As a result and following extensive tests we have concluded to the following:

The application of the KAISER locker on the front axle should only be permitted to vehicles that are focused exclusively for offroad use.
Application on the front axle and use on tarmac surface road should only be allowed to very experienced drivers and always following the warning that it can lead to extremely "nervous" behavior of the steering system even on a straight road.

Application of the KAISER locker on the rear axle of vehicles with manual transmission should only be advised to vehicles that are focused mainly for offroad use. Use of the KAISER locker on the rear axle of a vehicle with manual transmission for tarmac use can randomly generate excessive sudden "clonking" noise and vibration of the rear axle due to sudden locking of the differential when the foot of the driver is taken off the accelerator pedal when negotiating a turn or when the driver engages the clutch again when negotiating a turn.
On the other hand when the KAISER is fitted to the rear axle of vehicles with AUTOMATIC transmission all the above mentioned negative symptoms are totally cancelled and can only exhibit some sudden but not alarming noise when reversing and then accelerating hard forwards.

On all occasions (front or rear axle use, automatic or manual transmission) the KAISER locker is an extremely capable unit and performs without any of the alarming or dangerous symptoms that are present on tarmac driving.

We have also established that it is practically impossible to break a KAISER locker and it has been found to be extremely kind to the halfshafts of the vehicles where it was tested.

Its way of operation is the total contrast of how an ordinary locker operates and this peculiarity is what leads it to the very strange result of making it work like a dream on vehicles with automatic gearbox transmission systems. It just needs to have torque applied to it from the transmission at all time, even this amount of torque is what the torque converter always "feeds" to the rear wheels even when the car is simply coasting without the driver pressing the accelerator pedal.

I would NOT recommend or sell a KAISER locker for use on a front axle on a vehicle with either a manual or an automatic gearbox transmission system unless if it were to be used exclusively for offroad use.

Whatever else it is proclaimed and stated by the NEKARTH factory is not be accepted as mentioned.

I also have to openly and publicly say that the NEKARTH factory has declined any responsibility and has not agreed to reimburse the even the purchase value of the units that were removed from vehicles of unsatisfied client for the fact that the units have behaved in a totally different way from what it has been advertised. I have personally covered all the cases of returned units simply because I respect the people who have bought them from me but I consider the Brazilian factory and its managers and client support team as unworthy of any future orders from my side. I expect a responsible company to stay behind its product and respect its end buyers and its representatives. Something which unfortunately was not the case with NEKARTH on the occasions where the KAISER has totally failed to perform as advertised as a locker which is totally "invisilble" when used on tarmac road driving.
This has only been found to truly apply when the KAISER is fitted to the rear axle of vehicles with automatic gearbox transmission systems.
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If you wish to try the KAISER locker for yourself on your Range Rover P38 and you are willing to cover the cost for having it posted from Greece to your address in Portugal I will be extremely happy to send you a unit for testing it to your car.
If your Range Rover P38 is fitted with an automatic gearbox I am almost sure that you will be very happy with it.
If you are happy with it you will pay it to me.
If you are not 100% satisfied with the way it operates both on tarmac and off the road you can return it and only pay for the cost for sending it back to Greece.

The price I am asking for it, if you are happy with it is 650 Euros. The retail price including VAT, custom duties, import taxes, custom clearing charges and air freight cost from Brazil is around 1100 Euros for a single unit order and can go down to around 850 Euros for a combined order of 5 or more units.

The KAISER unit for the Land Rover Defender 110 fitted with the P38 rear axle (the one that has replaced the Salisbury one) is exactly the same for the rear axle of the Range Rover P38 (this is why the Defender's axle is called the P38, because it is using the same type of differential unit)

If you are interested please let me know and I can provide you with a postage quotation to Portugal.

Best regards
Pantelis Giamarellos
LAND ROVER CLUB OF GREECE (founder and member)
Land Rover World (co-moderator)
CTOC (co-founder and member)
 
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