JLR Telematics and murder conviction

raywin said:

It's hard to see that they are monitoring the car as the car is only capable of sitting immobile in one place without human interaction, all the events they measure are instigated by a human actions. Also they gave the information to the police as a record of what the person did, it was my understanding that you cant store data on a computer without consent, as I recall some organisations even went back to card files to allow them to keep data which they didn't want to ask permission to keep.
Dont get me wrong I am delighted that they caught that scum bag, but as I mentioned we often learn the hard way that wonderful new technology can have more sinister uses.

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Data protection act and gdpr is protecting human detail including pictures and video of. Like personal hr records at work. I agree actions in a car are monitorinh human activity but its not the same as its not directly storing data related to the human like date of birth. Yer looking at average eggcelleration. How often using air con. Things relating to use of the cars features and wear and tear monitoring. At one point ma v6 hippo's engine start count was 14,500. They look at engines to see if they get up to running temp. Typical mileage. Also collecting fault codes remotely. I can appreciate peeps will be worried but its far less intrusive than google and amazon monitoring what yer do online.

I think there are issues; collecting usefull data that improves design and diagnosis can drift into collecting data just because its possible. I think there's a bit of that going on already "oh we can collect that it could be useful" which is OK until it falls into the wrong hands and is triangulated with other data sets which then build a detailed picture of your life. I think it also depends on the context, MH370 would have been found by now if there had been more data transmission so its can be a very good thing. My series has a tracker and I'd quite like one on my son! Be interesting to see where this goes after Brexit, the EU were in tehe process of mandating black boxes with speed records on all new cars, Singapore already have this and the car alarms if you are speeding, the next step is automatic fines. I have mixed feellings about this, we live in a queit residential street but one or two drivers do 60 mph, would I like a system that stopped that? yes I would.

rob1miles said:

I think there are issues; collecting usefull data that improves design and diagnosis can drift into collecting data just because its possible. I think there's a bit of that going on already "oh we can collect that it could be useful" which is OK until it falls into the wrong hands and is triangulated with other data sets which then build a detailed picture of your life. I think it also depends on the context, MH370 would have been found by now if there had been more data transmission so its can be a very good thing. My series has a tracker and I'd quite like one on my son! Be interesting to see where this goes after Brexit, the EU were in tehe process of mandating black boxes with speed records on all new cars, Singapore already have this and the car alarms if you are speeding, the next step is automatic fines. I have mixed feellings about this, we live in a queit residential street but one or two drivers do 60 mph, would I like a system that stopped that? yes I would.

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Yes there are so many knob heads driving around these day would be great to take some of them off the road.
Problem is with new technology you get the whole package, not possible to fillet out the bits you like.

I guess we're not bothered about this sort of technology until it's used to catch us out. We're not too concerned if it records gear, speed etc but if it caught you out balancing on two wheels and put yer insurance up then it would be a problem.

Hippo said:

I guess we're not bothered about this sort of technology until it's used to catch us out. We're not too concerned if it records gear, speed etc but if it caught you out balancing on two wheels and put yer insurance up then it would be a problem.

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Yes
But that's only one part of the story, we were discussing facial recognition technology the other day and someone said what if you were in a restaurant when someone takes a picture with their camera and highlights each face, with their ID and address.
So he's just sitting down now we have a couple of hours to turn over his house undisturbed.
Sounds far out but actually much nearer than you think.
People never imagined the dvla selling off your info, or insurance companies selling details of crashes to these so called accident lawyers, but that's happening, and that is just what's considered legitimate, leaving out the hacked data from Facebook etc.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm worried we have a tiger by the tail here.

Like you I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but. I'm starting to have things happen that make me uncomfortable. A mate has the lastest smartphone, he gave me a lift and I mentioned my robot vacuum had packed up. He now gets ads for robot vacuums. He's spooked by it too as he swears this is the one and only conversation he has ever had about robot vacuums.

rob1miles said:

Like you I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but. I'm starting to have things happen that make me uncomfortable. A mate has the lastest smartphone, he gave me a lift and I mentioned my robot vacuum had packed up. He now gets ads for robot vacuums. He's spooked by it too as he swears this is the one and only conversation he has ever had about robot vacuums.

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Does he have speech activated on his phone for google search or something else?

No, the whole reason this has got us worried is that we are both security conscious and disable these things.
Here's something that happened to me last year - I'm self employed and sent an invoice to a regular client who knows me well. I got a call on my mobile from their accountant - what was the story behind my changing my bank? I hadn't changed my bank. So we went onto encripted what's app and screen shotted the e-mails then compared what was received with what was sent. My e-mail and theirs were hacked and false messages were being sent to redirect payments. There was a full investigation and reports to the Police. The scammers had got into the system using a fake scope of work. That installed a fake log-in that sat in the system for 6 months unitl it flashed up and grabbed the passwords after a system upgrade. The e-mails were them monitored by a person to learn or habits and language for months before then jumping on and impersonating me when there was suffcient financial gain. This was actually a fraud on the client so had they got my payment redirected they would have targetted much bigger ones from large suppliers. This whole time both computer systems had full anti-virus and off site IT support and security scans and it never picked up a thing. I now have all internet banking disabled and use my mobile to confirm all payments. The IT suport company showed no interest and "it happens" was their reply. I fixed that by reporting them for planting the fraud so the only way they could prove their innocense was to do a proper investigation.