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"Marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> The federal government sponsored a study to prove that drugs were unsafe.
> The interesting part of the study was that people smoking marijuana became
> more "safe" than sober drivers (and the drunks got worse, but some got
> better after the first drink or two, then worse after). So, the federal
> government went out to find that drugs are bad. They instead proved that
> people driving under the influence of marijuana are safer than sober
> people.
>


Having driven under the influence of marijuana myself when I was younger, I
can assure you that if this study claimed this, it was total bunk.

>
> The findings of the APA were obviously the opposite of what it was looking
> for. It had two courses. It could either lie like a politician, or
> publish the findings as they would have if the study had proved what they
> expected.
>


Rubbish. What the APA found was that boys that had NOT be forced
against their will into man-boy sex, were not physologically damaged later
in life.

Any boy who is molested WOULD NOT be covered under this, because
by definition, molestation involves the pedophile forcing the child into a
sex act.

And in any case, a boy that drinks a beer or two when he's 14 years old
isn't going to be permanently damaged either. But, this isn't a criterion
as to whether we let 14 year olds drink beer.

Ted


 
Larry Kessler wrote:
>
> On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 01:40:51 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let's be clear.

>
> You can start anytime.
>
> >Man-boy love is not supported by heterosexual women. It is not
> >supported by heterosexual men.

>
> MOST heterosexuals do not support pedophilia regardless of the gender
> of the perp or of the victim. Neither do most homosexuals.
>
> >The only people who support man-boy love are gays.

>
> You could just as easily say that the only people who support man-girl
> love are straights.


Truth is truth - who would argue with that.

> >So, while it may be true that not all gays support man-boy love

>
> "Not all" is a deliberate deception. VERY FEW gays support it, and
> I'll bet the rent that I know many more of them than you do.
>
> >So, it is fair to say that only gays support NAMBLA.

>
> No, it isn't. Only gay PEDOPHILES (a very small subset of the gay
> population) support it.


I think we're back to a a disagreement on the definition of gay. When
you say "gay" or "homosexual", you mean only those who exclusively have
sex with same sex. When DTJ or I and most of the general public say or
hear "gay" or "homosexual", they are thinking anyone other than
"straight" - IOW switch-hitters/bisexuals are included in the terms
"gay" and "homosexual". You will argue that they are technically wrong,
but common usage says otherwise. It would be dishonest to quote
statistics stating it without clearly qualifying it when you *know* the
audience is probably thinking of the "other than straight" definition.

Bill Putney
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> "DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Man-boy love is not supported by heterosexual women. It is not
> > supported by heterosexual men.
> >

>
> Absolutely not true. NAMBLA has managed to scrape together
> hetrosexuals of both sexes that support their "position" they are on
> their web site.
>
> Believing that this man-boy love crap is confined to a homos
> is ignoring a large part of the problem.
>
> Ted


Ted - A man who has sex with a boy is a homo - even if he has a wife
(woman) at home. Anything else is a semantics game.

Bill Putney
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"David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> I just don't buy it. Wall street didn't know he would be president until
> December. The slowdown was underway well before the election. Further,
> Wall St. has historically appreciated conservatives in much the same way

the
> military does. They're on the same page.
>


Wall Street doesen't give a **** about Republicans or Democrats.

The problems with the economy are much more basic and serious
than a simple business turndown.

Fundamentally, we have a big problem with Social Security and Medicare.
Simply put, the way the program is run now - paying for the retirees out
of the general fund, and having NO Social Security investment trust fund -
is utterly unsupportable over the long haul.

And, now we are totally ****ed because ever since Social Security
was instituted, people have been saving less for retirement. After all,
why should they save for retirement? SS will pay for it, and besides that,
the money they would have been putting away for retirement has gone to SS
taxes.

There's really only one way out of it. Wall Street knows what it is, and
so do all the Presidents and party leaders. Simply put, the way out is to
NOT pay the retirees back even the principle of what they put into the
SS program, let alone the interest they should have gotten.

Now, obviously if the government just simply comes right out and tells
people this, there will be a revolution. So they have to do it more subtly.
The way this is being done is simply to devalue the currency, otherwise
known as inflation. Basically you just print up a bunch of money and
give it to the retirees, and by the time they notice that the dollars your
paying them aren't worth **** compared to the dollars they paid you,
they are dead. (and the smart ones that notice this early will just simply
not retire, they will continue to work)

Now people aren't total dim bulbs so you can't just go publishing high
inflation figures any more than you can tell them that they aren't going
to get the value they put into SS back. So the government hides the
true rate of inflation by redefining how inflation is calculated. The
government also makes subtle adjustments in the economy to create
"targeted" inflation.

For example, take mortgage interest rates. If you drop mortgage
interest rates, you create a lot of housing demand from people who
are already in homes. They sell and buy new homes, other people
buy theirs, etc. It's a big money circle and every time it goes around,
housing prices go up. Thus, if you can run 20% inflation in housing
prices alone, and 1% inflation in everything else, you can claim to the
ignorant that the inflation rate is only 1%.

And of course since local government funding is usually tied to property
taxes, if you can get housing prices jacked up, the local governments
can raise assessed value of property, and thus rake in more taxes. In
short, it's a tax increase that occurs without an actual percentage change
on the bill.

Anyway, all these games have been enough to keep SS balanced so
far, but we are coming up on a serious bulge of retirees in the next
10 years. So Bush has to start running big budget deficits now. Those
big deficits cause the government to borrow big money from the
investment community, which then allows the government later on to
owe giant amounts of interest. What you will see is that when all the
retirees start drawing SS, the government will start printing up a ton
of money and using it to pay all that interest
back - that will flood a bunch of extra money into the economy, which
will devalue the currency, thus your tax revenues go way up in dollar
figures (because the inflation this causes raises the dollar figures of
everything) and as soon as the actual inflation (as opposed to the
"reported" inflation figures) exceeds the SS COLA, then bam-
your able to pay the retirees.

It makes no difference that the money the retirees get off SS is going
to only be enough to allow them to buy tins of cat food for dinner,
the government won't be liable because they will have met the "letter"
of the SS guarentee.

> > I used to think that he should come out and at least rally the country
> > on the economy. Then I checked the stats and found out that every
> > day he came out to speak, Wall Street went short. Some folks made
> > a good pile of money anticipating that. "Selling the President short"
> > is now part of the nomenclature there.
> >

>
> I don't buy this either. There's no emnity between Bush and Wall Street.
> And whether investors like what he says on any particular day or not only
> points out the different jobs they have.


> Bush is one of the most
> disciplined and principled Presidents we've ever had. The principles he
> holds to are sound and promise to take us where we need to be as a

country.

This is very true. It takes someone very disciplined to understand exactly
what he's doing to SS and still go through with it.

> He doesn't believe in cheap gimmickery
>


He may not but his party still is run by the folks that ran that Monica
Lewinsky sideshow, and that was cheap gimmickery if there ever
was gimmickery. At least though, they did finally get rid of Trent Lot
and Newt.

>
> I hope you didn't miss the sarcasm. Also, I'll give Clinton credit for
> practicing fiscal conservatism. Combined with a period of growth, the
> result can be... well.... Reagan-like. Reagan couldn't get fiscal
> conservatism with his Congress, but it was HIS policy. It's what he ran

on.
> Cut taxes, cut spending.
>


Clinton did a lot of economic damage that Bush is repairing. Fundamentally
Clinton did not have the stomach to set up what is going to be the biggest
ass-screwing of the Baby Boomers once they all retire and find out their SS
benefits are worthless. If Clinton and his policies were in office 15 years
from now, there would be no targeted high inflation rate, no way to pay back
the
SS holders. Instead the country would just have to declare bankruptcy.

Ted


 
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
> "Marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > The federal government sponsored a study to prove that drugs were unsafe.
> > The interesting part of the study was that people smoking marijuana became
> > more "safe" than sober drivers (and the drunks got worse, but some got
> > better after the first drink or two, then worse after). So, the federal
> > government went out to find that drugs are bad. They instead proved that
> > people driving under the influence of marijuana are safer than sober
> > people.
> >

>
> Having driven under the influence of marijuana myself when I was younger, I
> can assure you that if this study claimed this, it was total bunk.


Which is exactly my objection to those who cite "scientific" studies to
"prove" their opinions (of course only those studies that support their
views ignoring the other "scientific" studies). A truly scientific
study does have significance, but the problem is that humans are running
the studies and they can be faked, either intentionally depending on the
vested interestes involved or thru the setup, assumptions (false or
otherwise), games played with definitions of words (like does gay mean
"non-straight" or does it mean those who exclusively have same-sex sex),
etc. By "scientific" studies, butter is bad this year, next year
margerine is bad, the next year butter...

Bill Putney
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"Marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I trust history will judge Reagan and Clinton appropriately.

>
> I agree. They will objectively look at the number of indictments and
> convictions of people from their staff or campaign. They will objectively
> look at the deficits through their terms.
>
> Marc
> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"


I don't think history will be that partisan. Iran-Contra will be part of
the picture. So will deficits. What history won't do, as you're doing, is
look only at those two corners of the picture

In the 80's, congress wouldn't restrain spending. That's why there were
deficits. Reagan had a choice. Achieve the vital goals of Peace Through
Strengh, restoring America's Self Confidence, Creating New Jobs (i.e.,
wealth) Through Tax Cuts but fail to eliminate the deficit OR achieve none
of them by allowing the Democratic Congress to control the agenda. Easy
choice.

And we all know that the difference between Republicans and Democrats is
what they want to spend money on. Defense vs. Social Programs. In the
80's, both got what they wanted and we got deficits. The true test is to
measure the value of that spending. Reagan's spending priorities resulted
in the downfall of the Soviet Empire and the resurrection of American
Leadership in the free world. The Democratic spending priorities
transferred trillions to feel good programs that never seem to arrive at
their intended destinations and create new dependency classes.


 
In article <[email protected]>,
"David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Marc" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:24:11 GMT, 'nuther Bob

><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>But Iraq has/had no connection to 9-11. Wrong argument, try again.
>> >
>> >Try again. Every day more and more evidence is uncovered that shows
>> >Saddam supported terrorism. 9/11 is the day we declared war on all
>> >terrorism. I guess you choose to ignore the deaths of our soldiers
>> >when it comes to connecting Saddam to terrorists, but are all over it
>> >when you want to blame Bush for the deaths.

>>
>> Like the statements in the State of the Union?
>>
>> Much of the training received was in the US at the hands of institutions
>> licensed and overseen by the US federal government and all (or quite close
>> to it) of the people involved were allowed into the US by the US
>> government.
>>
>> With the "it happened in the country" links, you could easily blame the US
>> for the attacks.
>>
>> I've yet to see evidence that any one of the 9/11 terrorists attended any
>> of the supposed hijacking schools. What is seems like is that the
>> President makes bold claims (or bald face lies) and the dis-intelligence
>> community finds (or fabricates) evidence. "Oops, all the independent
>> inspectors confirm that there is no evidence that Iraq had WMDs, so lets
>> make up something else."
>>
>> Marc
>> For email, remove the first "y" of "whineryy"

>
>This the next liberal disinformation campaign: Bush had it in for Saddam.
>9/11 was just a pretext. He lied and fabricated whatever evidence he
>thought would convince enough of us that if Saddam lived another week he
>might just attack us. There never was any significant WMD programs, he was
>never really a threat to the US. It was all a ruse to enflame the public to
>support a war. The 14 words he uttered in the SOTU address are the smoking
>gun.
>
>More moronic tripe. Again. History will be kind to GW on this one.
>
>

People said the same thing about LBJ and the Gulf of Tonkin resolution at the
time.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"'nuther Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:27:10 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Nice liberal spin. I especially enjoy you leaving out the recession
>> >that Clinton caused, which led to those deficits,

>>
>> Pardon ? The recession started in March, after Bush got into office.
>> If he had paid any attention to the economy, he might have been able
>> to avoid it. He's done nothing but make it worse.
>>

>
>The economic slow down began way before Bush was elected.


Ask most people when their 401k plans tanked. Or when they got laid off.


>Perhaps you're
>selectiong the word "recession", which the slowdown led to, because it began
>after he was elected. I paid exquisite attention to the economy. It was
>one of the first things he focused on.
>
>This is the picture liberals want people to have. Reagan ran the economy on
>a credit card for 8 years; Bush Sr., (R) screwed up the economy even more
>and was thrown out of office. Clinton (D) was elected and magnificently
>turned it around, because Democrats are... well... just right about the
>economy! We had 8 years of growth thanks to his wise leadership. Then Gore
>screwed up and Bush stole the election. No one likes Bush. He's stupid and
>clueless and in two months screwed up the magnicificnet economy he inhereted
>from Clinton and now we find ourselves in the midst of the worst economy in
>50 years. Please send Clinton back.
>
>If you believe the above, you're a moron. It'll never, ever be written in
>any self respecting history book.
>
>> You seem to have forgotten the economic mess we were in when
>> Clinton got into office - that's the only reason he beat the
>> incumbent Bush Sr.
>>

>
>Mostly true. Bush Sr. acted like all was well, but no one believed it. My
>conclusion? This guy must be clueless! Perot seemed to focused right in on
>what people were worried about. Big mistake. Clinton gets elected on 42%
>of the vote.


Got more votes than his opponent, unlike Bush.

>
>
>> > and how Clinton
>> >refused to accept Bin Laden from Sudan, which led to the way which we
>> >are fighting

>>
>> Say what ? Clinton bombed Bin Laden, twice. The report just released
>> by the Congress shows that the Bush Admin's agencies missed every
>> opportunity there was to stop the hijackers. Bush was in Office for
>> a long time before 9-11.
>>

>
>Hardly. Clinton missed the boat wrt World Terrorism. Shooting cruise
>missiles at him was as weak an action one could do aside from mailing an
>arrest warrant to the Taliban. Clinton sent the FBI after cell soldiers and
>shot cruise missiles at Bin Laden twice. Bush sent the Marines in and
>kicked their asses (pardon my French).


Sure, after we had 3000 killed under his watch.


> I'll grant that Bush's perspective
>changed mightily post 9/11. I always wonder what Gore would have done. I
>just can't see him giving that 9/24 speech to Congress.
>
>And Clinton was offered Bin Laden by the Sudan. Clinton admin. declined as
>there was no legal pretext for holding him. Insufficient evidence that
>would hold up in a court of law. That's how the news articles read on this
>story.


You'd rather Clinton had abandoned our constitution and civil liberties like
Bush and Ashcroft?

>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> >
>> >Oh, the increase in defense spending (conservative thing) is nowhere
>> >near the increase in social programs the liberals have put through.

>>

>
>

 
In article <[email protected]>,
Omphalos <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri 25 Jul 2003 09:59:12p, Nathan Nagel <[email protected]> wrote
>in news:[email protected]:
>
>> David Allen wrote:
>>
>>> "Lloyd Parker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Omphalos <#> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri 25 Jul 2003 01:43:41p, [email protected] (Lloyd Parker)
>>>>> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That comment isn't any different than the ones you offer all the
>>>>>>> time, except it's from the other side of the opinion sprectrum.
>>>>>>> Oh, and the bestiality, incest and bigamy arguments are real
>>>>>>> argurments against gay
>>>>>>> marriage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only in the minds of bigots and fools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is homosexuality ok, but at the same time incest, beastiality,
>>>>> bigamy, and child molestation are wrong?
>>>>
>>>> If you have to ask that, you're too dumb to tie your own shoelaces.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Humor us Lloyd. Do you have to dig deep to answer? Take more than 30
>>> seconds?
>>>
>>>>>>> So, that comment doesn't come from idiocy. The point being that
>>>>>>> gay marriage doesn't have an intellectual backstop that doesn't
>>>>>>> have within it's boundary those vices
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two committed and consenting adults.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tolerance leads to perversity.
>>>>
>>>> Intolerance leads to murder. Drag any blacks to death lately? Beat
>>>> any gays to death? How about lynchings?
>>>
>>> Tolerance of mistakes is good. Tolerance of evil and wrong is
>>> perverse. Does that suprise you? It shouldn't, because it's common
>>> sense. All people of good will understand that and have for thousands
>>> of years.
>>>
>>> "Tolerance" by itself is just a word with no connection to good or bad.
>>> Like "discrimination". Both words the left loves.
>>>
>>> As far as marriage goes, it's not defined as "consenting adults".
>>> That's the problem here, you "tolerant" types want to redefing marriage
>>> so that anyone can join the party! Aren't we cool! We love everybody!
>>> We're so tolerant!

>>
>> And who are you to say what is "evil and wrong" and what isn't?

>
>Are you a moral relativist?
>
>> I know some people that I consider good people who happen to be
>> homosexual. Are you telling me that they aren't really good people after
>> all?

>
>> By what authority can you make that judgement?

>
>By all the statistics, including those from the U.S. government, that show
>that homosexuality is a dangerous and disease ridden behavior.


Liar.

>Homosexuality is an activity that is inherently dangerous and cannot be
>made healthy .


Liar.


> It carries with it health risks that, though they may be
>reduced in some cases, can't be avoided entirely.


How would you know? Hmmm...


>Second, homosexual
>conduct also puts people at risk who are not engaged in the activity.


Liar.

>Since this activity can't be made healthful, and puts people at risk who
>do not choose to be involved in the activity, it seems to make sense that,
>as a community, we ought not do anything to encourage it.


You don't even know how to tell the truth.

>
>Homosexuality should be discouraged on public health grounds alone.


So should your breeding.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
"David Allen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"'nuther Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:42:53 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Yes, I was so glad when the market lost half its value in the last
>> >months of the kkklinton years. I just don't know how that could be
>> >considered rising.

>>
>>
>> The market started discounting Bush's election as soon as he stole it.
>>
>> BTW - spelling Clinton "kkkklinton" is about the most ignorant thing
>> you posted yet. If you are looking for the KKK, start with Strom
>> Thurmond and his friends.
>>
>> Bob

>
>The market couldn't even see Bush past the mountains of failed dot coms and
>overproduced fiber optics cables.
>
>Oh and let's not forget who the KKK was. Southern Democrats.
>
>

But now look at Nixon's "southern strategy," Goldwater, the Republicans' play
to racism...
 
In article <[email protected]>,
DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:36:27 GMT, 'nuther Bob
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Say what ? Clinton bombed Bin Laden, twice. The report just released
>>by the Congress shows that the Bush Admin's agencies missed every
>>opportunity there was to stop the hijackers. Bush was in Office for
>>a long time before 9-11.

>
>No, kkklinton bombed an aspirin factory. He bombed a few fields in
>Afghanistan. Had he ever did anything to find and bring Bin Laden to
>justice, the WTC would still be there. Obviously he never bombed Bin
>Laden.


He did what he could, given the evidence at the time.

And it's doubtful Bush ever bombed bin Laden (himself) either.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:59:14 GMT, 'nuther Bob
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>The market started discounting Bush's election as soon as he stole it.

>
>Ah, you are still upset that the Floriduh supreme court failed in its
>mission to steal the election,


Nice to know you respect states' rights.


>and that the SCOTUS had to enforce
>federal election law. Sorry, but your loser lost.


Who got more votes?

>
>>BTW - spelling Clinton "kkkklinton" is about the most ignorant thing
>>you posted yet. If you are looking for the KKK, start with Strom
>>Thurmond and his friends.

>
>Thurmond was never in the KKK. That is a liberal group.


Can one person be this stupid?


>Byrd loves
>the word ******.


Prove it.


>Dems love to keep blacks on unemployment by telling
>them they are not as good as whites, and they must have assistance to
>make it in life. The only thing Thurmond did was to support
>segregationism as a democrat.


And run as a Dixiecrat, remember? Hello, Trent Lott?

>
>YES HE WAS A LIBERAL, and followed liberal policies.


You're a bloomin' idiot.

>
>When he became a conservative he began to uphold values like equality.


As I said, no one person can be this stupid.

>
>Thanks for playing.

 
In article <[email protected]>,
"JD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"'nuther Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 15:23:52 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Thurmond was never in the KKK. That is a liberal group.

>>
>> The KKK is filled with liberals ? Interesting. You get more absurd
>> with each post.
>>
>> Bob

>
>I guess it's all relative. Compared to Attila the Hun and the Khmer Rouge, I
>suppose the Klan could be considered "liberal".
>
>JD
>
>

Or compared with Putney and Allen and DTJ.
 

"'nuther Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 23:42:53 GMT, DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Yes, I was so glad when the market lost half its value in the last
> >months of the kkklinton years. I just don't know how that could be
> >considered rising.

>
>
> The market started discounting Bush's election as soon as he stole it.
>
> BTW - spelling Clinton "kkkklinton" is about the most ignorant thing
> you posted yet. If you are looking for the KKK, start with Strom
> Thurmond and his friends.
>
> Bob


Don't you mean Robert "sheets" Byrd?


 

> >This the next liberal disinformation campaign: Bush had it in for

Saddam.
> >9/11 was just a pretext. He lied and fabricated whatever evidence he
> >thought would convince enough of us that if Saddam lived another week he
> >might just attack us.

>
> He certainly told an untruth in the State of the Union address. That
> information was fabricated (though not by the US). But, perhaps since it
> agreed with what he wanted, he didn't have it investigated as much as if

it
> didn't. He certainly wouldn't have said it if it didn't agree with what

he
> wanted to find.
>
> >There never was any significant WMD programs, he was
> >never really a threat to the US.

>
> All evidence before the US attack was that there was no WMD program. All
> evidence after is that there is not WMD program.
>
> Are you asserting that there have been weapons of mass destruction found

in
> Iraq?
>


Democrats are salivating to make this Bush's "Gulf of Tonkin". You guys
will work it over and over and over until you've dug yourselves into a deep
hole. In the end, Bush will be proven correct on his Iraq policy. I've
always believed the Iraq war was less about 9/11 itself and more about how
9/11 changed our strategic outlook on Middle East terrorism. To win that
war, Hussein had to go. If you listen to Bush and Cheney speak, this is
what you hear.


 
In article <[email protected]>,
"Douglas A. Shrader" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Bill Putney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> >
>> > In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]>

>wrote:
>> > >Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney

><[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>> > >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> In article <[email protected]>,
>> > >> >> Marc <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> > Show me where I can find this "agenda of the pervert community."

>>
>> Since I clearly said that I *don't* see an agenda in books promoted at
>> places like amazon.com pushing for men-on-girls or women-on-boys, you
>> must be referring to the agenda for men-on-boys. Well, for starters,
>> how about the book that Amazon is selling? How about the NAMBLA (North
>> American Man-Boy Love Association)? Lloyd - I really and truly try to
>> stay away from using personal insults, but are you really this stupid,
>> or is it an act?

>
>I don't think he is acting, sad as that is.
>
>

I see bigots of a feather flock together.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lloyd Parker wrote:
>>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]>

wrote:
>> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]>

>> wrote:
>> >> >Lloyd Parker wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> >> Marc <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >Perhaps you'd like the APA to endorse faked studies that only find

what
>> >> you
>> >> >> >want them to find?
>> >> >
>> >> >And of course you think such a study was honest? Hardly. Much less,
>> >> >scientific. Anyone who thinks little boys who've beem sexually

molested
>> >> >by grown men are not scarred for life is pathetic - no matter how much
>> >> >"scientific proof" he has coming out his sphincter to prove otherwise.
>> >>
>> >> You don't seem to feel similar sympathy for little girls. Is it because
>> >> they'd ghave been molested by heterosexuals?
>> >
>> >Gee willikers, Lloyd. I didn't state that I like hot fudge sundaes
>> >either, but that doesn't mean that I don't like them. We weren't
>> >discussing heterosexuals and little girls -

>>
>> You were claiming sexual abuse is not harmful to children

>
>Ummm - only you got that out of anything I wrote (other than the
>tongue-in-cheek comments).
>
>> ...and using that as a
>> platform for your usual smear of gays.
>>
>> > abusers of children of
>> >either gender are worthy of the same harsh punishment. But since you
>> >mention it, I don't see the agenda of the pervert community hawking
>> >books specifically advocating that men rape little girls or that women
>> >rape little boys.

>>
>> Show me where I can find this "agenda of the pervert community."

>
>Since I clearly said that I *don't* see an agenda in books promoted at
>places like amazon.com pushing for men-on-girls or women-on-boys, you
>must be referring to the agenda for men-on-boys.


You claimed there was a "homosexual pervert agenda." Cite it.


> Well, for starters,
>how about the book that Amazon is selling? How about the NAMBLA (North
>American Man-Boy Love Association)? Lloyd - I really and truly try to
>stay away from using personal insults, but are you really this stupid,
>or is it an act?


Which is to homosexuality as men molesting little girls is to heterosexuality.
Does that mean there's a "heterosexual pervert agenda" too?

>
>> > Hey - BTW - has the APA published a scientific study
>> >showing that little girls are not harmed by being raped by men, or
>> >little boys by women? Why haven't they put the same focus on that?
>> >Could it be that certain people are pushing the homosexual pervert
>> >agenda over the just-as-sick heterosexual pervert agenda? Do you think
>> >maybe...?

>>
>> It used to be the Jewish agenda -- they murdered babies, etc. Periodically
>> the Arab press even quotes a book claiming this. You're in their league.

>
>Lloyd-logic strikes again.


No, just shining some light on your "final solution."

>
>Bill Putney
>(to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>address with "x")
>
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In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Kessler wrote:
>>
>> Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Since I clearly said that I *don't* see an agenda in books promoted at
>> >places like amazon.com pushing for men-on-girls or women-on-boys, you
>> >must be referring to the agenda for men-on-boys. Well, for starters,
>> >how about the book that Amazon is selling? How about the NAMBLA (North
>> >American Man-Boy Love Association)?

>>
>> You conveniently ignore the gay community's near-universal loathing
>> and repudiation of NAMBLA and its goals.

>
>OK. I guess "near-universal", the primary exceptions being those gays
>who are aligned with NAMBLA.


How about those straights aligned with Aryan Nation? Does that mean all
straights subscribe to those beliefs?


>It wasn't intentional, since I did not
>know that to be the case (I'll take your word for it for the time
>being). It would be interesting to see honest statistics on gays
>agreeing with NAMBLA vs. those opposing it's agenda.


I'm sure you wouldn't care unless you could twist it to show gays in a bad
light.

>
>Bill Putney
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>
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In article <[email protected]>, Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>> "DTJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > Man-boy love is not supported by heterosexual women. It is not
>> > supported by heterosexual men.
>> >

>>
>> Absolutely not true. NAMBLA has managed to scrape together
>> hetrosexuals of both sexes that support their "position" they are on
>> their web site.
>>
>> Believing that this man-boy love crap is confined to a homos
>> is ignoring a large part of the problem.
>>
>> Ted

>
>Ted - A man who has sex with a boy is a homo - even if he has a wife
>(woman) at home.



Not true. Lots of adults have, according to studies, experimented with sex
with the same sex.


>Anything else is a semantics game.
>
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In article <[email protected]>,
DTJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 20:14:00 GMT, Larry Kessler
><l_k_e_s_s_l_e_r@w_t.n_e_t> wrote:
>
>>Bill Putney <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Since I clearly said that I *don't* see an agenda in books promoted at
>>>places like amazon.com pushing for men-on-girls or women-on-boys, you
>>>must be referring to the agenda for men-on-boys. Well, for starters,
>>>how about the book that Amazon is selling? How about the NAMBLA (North
>>>American Man-Boy Love Association)?

>>
>>You conveniently ignore the gay community's near-universal loathing
>>and repudiation of NAMBLA and its goals.

>
>Let's be clear.
>
>Man-boy love is not supported by heterosexual women. It is not
>supported by heterosexual men.
>
>The only people who support man-boy love are gays.


OK, who supports adult males molesting little girls? Heterosexuals?

>
>So, while it may be true that not all gays support man-boy love, that
>does not in any way imply that anyone other than gays do support it.
>
>So, it is fair to say that only gays support NAMBLA.


You are not only an idiot but a bigoted one.
 
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