Jacking under 200tdi Sump for engine removal?

Shanec · Feb 5, 2022

Hi

Don't have engine crane handy.

Question- OK to Jack under sump to raise engine off the mounts?

Both boxes are already removed by hand.

Engine I can rock but no way lifting. Must be 300kg.

Have lowered front chassis to the floor to help.

Only idea I can think of is jacking chassis up, supporting under sump with another jack, lowering chassis down and wheeling the jack under sump forward.

Then will need to work out how to clear the chassis.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks
Shane

ER1C · Feb 5, 2022

Yes it would be fine providing....
a. You protect it accordingly
b. You take into account the angles on the sump and the fact it will try and move accordingly.

lynall · Feb 5, 2022

Spread load with plank of wood, the sumps are tough.

Shanec · Feb 5, 2022

Alright
Thanks Eric and Lynall for confirming.

Will sleep on it and work on It tomorrow.

Thinking of putting concrete slabs under axle stands enough to put a 4x4 timber across to act as a stationary gantry to take some weight / prevent toppling the engine over.

Then using the jack to support under the sump whilst moving one axle stand forward at a time.
Eventually will get the engine outside the garage.

Tedious but seems like best option with what's to hand.

Thanks again
Shane

steve2286w · Feb 5, 2022

Hire a local engine crane, not a lot for a couple of days looks awkward getting over chassis, what happens to it when in front of garage , what about using say 4no garage roof joists to hoist it up , that’s 75kg per joist and bolt some scaffold to it with key clamp bits

I’ve used scaffold poles to use a hoist with , but main problem with balancing on a jack is it toppling off , might be easier to drag chassis out with engine in onto drive then just lifting up and down instead of up along then down

flat · Feb 5, 2022

Could you Jack the chassis and the engine as high as you can together. Then supper the engine from above with a pile of concrete blocks either side and a couple of heavy wooden beams or scaffold poles then lower the chassis down? Then you could push the chassis backwards out the way and get the engine on an engine stand? Pretty sketchy though tbh

so just hire an engine crane lol

Rougharse Racing · Feb 5, 2022

Land Rover engines weigh an absolute ton, it is hard enough to remove them with an engine crane, I fear for your limbs and digits.

miktdish · Feb 6, 2022

+1 hire an engine hoist

lynall · Feb 6, 2022

Normally engine crane hire available via ebay or facebook marketplace
Tbh they are not that dear new, 1 ton version is enough for what you need.

v8250 · Feb 6, 2022

@Shanec , as guidance above - either hire or buy an engine crane, they're not expensive, and ensure the extended arm length is of correct reach/stability to lift the 200tdi engine. If buying I can recommend buy from SGS https://www.sgs-engineering.com/garage-equipment/engine-cranes

You will also need a load leveller - 200tdi engines are dangerously heavy and do need levelling to remove safely. Engine removals need planning...especially crane leg clearance and rearward space and landing.

Shanec · Feb 6, 2022

You win some, you lose some.

Thanks all for the advice.
Used to have a commercial engine crane about 5yr ago but sold as so big.
Main issue here is sloped ground when exiting garage but can level it up no problem.

See photo for anyone else trying - 4X4 wood needed but wasn't long enough. 2.5 x2.5 inch can't hold the weight.

Understand what you're saying about the levelling being of importance - kept wanting to tip to bulkhead so needed two jacks.

Anyway I'm a fifer so we don't tend to buy new. Tight b.......

So will wait for one locally or possibly strip down in situ.

Getting checked over and rebuilt to a certain extent dependent on what's found. Done 225k so definitely work to the valve seats, piston rings, head gasket and seal and gaskets, feeler gauge type checks, oil pump etc etc etc and whatever else that needs rectifying. Need to have a look in see what's already been machined or not +20 +40 or standard etc.

Oh other thing I learned is the engine will not drop out through the bottom of the chassis as is.

Please see the photo as a thank you to all your time. Hope it makes you smile!

Thanks,
Shane

Al2O3 · Feb 6, 2022

Personally, I wouldn't be taking the weight of the engine on the sump. I'd borrow an engine crane from somewhere.
At a push, I would make a wooden frame, at least an inch thick timber, deep enough to clear the sump and made to rest on the sump flange. ie on the bottom of the block via the sump bolts. Some lengths of 4x4 screwed to the bottom with decent sized rubber castors at the ends to cope with the balance problems. Jack the chassis up, slide that lot under and lower it back down.
But, what are you going to do with it then? You'll need an engine crane to lift it off the homemade trolley

I'd borrow an engine crane from somewhere though.

Turboman · Feb 6, 2022

Al2O3 said:
I'd borrow an engine crane from somewhere though.

Or a tractor with a front loader.
They are very good for removing engines. They easily lift the weight, can tip and crowd, and you can drive them around to put the engine down where you want.

Al2O3 · Feb 6, 2022

Turboman said:
Or a tractor with a front loader.
They are very good for removing engines. They easily lift the weight, can tip and crowd, and you can drive them around to put the engine down where you want.

Easy for a farmer to say

Turboman · Feb 6, 2022

Al2O3 said:
Easy for a farmer to say

I haven't been a farmer for 5 years.

But most people know a farmer, and most farmers will do anything for 50 quid cash!

Al2O3 · Feb 6, 2022

Turboman said:
I haven't been a farmer for 5 years.

But most people know a farmer, and most farmers will do anything for 50 quid cash!

I know, but I couldn't resist saying it

Yeah, most of the ones I know like getting involved in unusual stuff too. Especially if it involves the tractor or tele-handler doing something out of the ordinary

300bhp/ton · Feb 6, 2022

Turboman said:
Or a tractor with a front loader.
They are very good for removing engines. They easily lift the weight, can tip and crowd, and you can drive them around to put the engine down where you want.

Al2O3 · Feb 6, 2022

300bhp/ton said:
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Sump protected by a big tyre

Shanec · Feb 7, 2022

It can be done with a 2.5m scaffold pole by one man in the dark.

Jam1 · Feb 7, 2022

Will it not fit between the chassis rails if you remove the alternator ps pump etc? Lower the whole lot on the floor (like you have) then lift the chassis off the engine?
(But personally I'd still buy a crane as you are going to have to move it about anyway )

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