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Disco Inferno

Disco Inferno

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I have read on here that you can pop rivit or use self tapping screws to fit a replacement boot panel in a disco as it is not a crutial structual like the chassis and wont affect the mot. My question is can this method also be used for the inner wings?? A bit bodgy I know but its quick cheep and pop rivits will be a lot stronger than my bird **** effect welding:)
 
Reet. Thats ma mind made up. Im going to go get the disco I looked at today. M reg 300tdi inner wings ever so slightly gone boot floor gone in two places about 3" x 0.5" in size. Has air con, abs, 2 x air bags and a Cat 1 alarm remote system and a nice set of modulars £600. Mot for 9 months (Not sure how with holes in the boot floor but it has) 3 months tax. See ya.... Im off buying another landrover :D Has any one got a spare room To let cos shes going to chuck me ooot when she gets home and sees another moss covered Landy!
 
This subject came up not long ago. For MOT purposes if a panel is riveted originally it can be riveted for the replacement. If it's spot welded likewise. This is for a complete replacement panel. However if you are cutting out a rotten section and replacing just the rotten part then it must be seam welded. It's common sense really.
 
Isn't the main problem that if the boot floors has gone , so has the x-memebr underneath it?
 
X member looks to be ok (fingers crossed) Spose ill find out when the floor comes out. Its not the whole floor thats rotten but its the same place either side and "shock horror" happens to be directly under the alpine windows in the roof. New floor and new alpine seals me thinks
 
Disco Inferno said:
X member looks to be ok (fingers crossed) Spose ill find out when the floor comes out. Its not the whole floor thats rotten but its the same place either side and "shock horror" happens to be directly under the alpine windows in the roof. New floor and new alpine seals me thinks
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Aint yer seatbelt mounts through the floor, you sure that's right I would have thought thats a weld it area.

And in relation to your inner wings make sure it dunt come within the area of the brake master. The prescribed area.
 
david451 said:
Aint yer seatbelt mounts through the floor, you sure that's right I would have thought thats a weld it area.

And in relation to your inner wings make sure it dunt come within the area of the brake master. The prescribed area.
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Nope the seatbelt mounting goes thru the floor and attaches to the chassis. there is a stabilising bracket on the floor but it's not structural and therefore not testable, Like wise the innerwings are only testable if they are welded to the bulkhead Disco inner wings aren't and therefore not a testable item either. Unless you have ABS as there is a safety critical component attached to one of the wings. For a great guide to riveting your boot floor click on the link. Boot Floor Replacement :D
 
redhand said:
Nope the seatbelt mounting goes thru the floor and attaches to the chassis. there is a stabilising bracket on the floor but it's not structural and therefore not testable, Like wise the innerwings are only testable if they are welded to the bulkhead Disco inner wings aren't and therefore not a testable item either. Unless you have ABS as there is a safety critical component attached to one of the wings. For a great guide to riveting your boot floor click on the link. Boot Floor Replacement :D
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In that case why dont you fit the fooker with tiger bond or sikaflex, the **** they bond windscreens with, we also used it to fit load rails in trailers and it holds like my wifes fingers on a 5 pound note. need 24 hours for it to set tho, but certainly water tight. Comes in white or black.

Dont get the stuff on yer hands or any other stuff cause it dunt come off without a fight.
 
redhand said:
Nope the seatbelt mounting goes thru the floor and attaches to the chassis. there is a stabilising bracket on the floor but it's not structural and therefore not testable, Like wise the innerwings are only testable if they are welded to the bulkhead Disco inner wings aren't and therefore not a testable item either. Unless you have ABS as there is a safety critical component attached to one of the wings. For a great guide to riveting your boot floor click on the link. Boot Floor Replacement :D
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Sorry Pikey - but the inner wings ARE welded to the bulkhead and come within the prescribed area of the brake servo/master cyl and are part of the MOt - or at least the part closest to the bulkhead is on the drivers side.
 
The inner wings are a tiny bit squishy on the level part of the inner arch close to where the arch slopes down towards the bumper so no where near the master cylinder. As far as seat belt mounts go good point. I'll have a look tommorow and let you know. The boot floor has gone about 10" away from the rear door so it is quite a fair distance from the rear bench seat.
 
This is what the MOT Testers Manual says about Corrosion.

To assist with the assessment of corrosion sections 2, 3 and 5 of the manual identify the parts of the vehicle structure which are particularly important and to which particular attention must be paid during the inspection.
These are:
- The load bearing parts of the vehicle to which certain testable items (as specified in section 2, 3 and 5) are mounted.
- Any structure or panelling which is supportive to either the component mounting or its load bearing member within 30cm of the mounting location. eg. In the examination of a seat belt mounting on an inner sill, consideration must be given to the outer sill, door pillar, floor panel, wheel arch or any other supportive structure within 30cm of the component mounting point.

There's no way the inner wing on a disco can be described as been supportative of the bulkhead or any of the components on the bulkhead. Therefore it's not testable. And n MOT tester can only go on what the manual tells him. He is not allow to deviate from it at all.

Here's the website for anyone who wants to read up on the MOT before taking their landy in for it's test. The full manual is on there.
 
Screw fix sell something called "liquid metal" in a tube.On side it says "easier than welding. Bonds metal to metal and non -porous surfaces."
 
redhand said:
This is what the MOT Testers Manual says about Corrosion.

To assist with the assessment of corrosion sections 2, 3 and 5 of the manual identify the parts of the vehicle structure which are particularly important and to which particular attention must be paid during the inspection.
These are:
- The load bearing parts of the vehicle to which certain testable items (as specified in section 2, 3 and 5) are mounted.
- Any structure or panelling which is supportive to either the component mounting or its load bearing member within 30cm of the mounting location. eg. In the examination of a seat belt mounting on an inner sill, consideration must be given to the outer sill, door pillar, floor panel, wheel arch or any other supportive structure within 30cm of the component mounting point.

There's no way the inner wing on a disco can be described as been supportative of the bulkhead or any of the components on the bulkhead. Therefore it's not testable. And n MOT tester can only go on what the manual tells him. He is not allow to deviate from it at all.

Here's the website for anyone who wants to read up on the MOT before taking their landy in for it's test. The full manual is on there.
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I have been testing for years but never come across a disco, and you know what it's got me fooked. I phoned up the help line and they dont fokin know.

The side seats are secured separetly from the floor, but fold down on the floor, so if the floor gives you fall through, the rear bench seat folds down onto the rear floor area and locks in so in theory if it's within 30cm of the mounting or if it's rotten around the perimeter and the entire section is going to come out then it's a fail, I think.

The inner wing is bolted to the chassis below the steering and again below the headlamp, it strikes me that it secures the body to the chassis and provides support for both the steering and brake master cylinder, and holds the body on. But is it only welded between these two points and could be that it's superficial and if it were removed the body would still be held at these two points.
 
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