Ifor Williams trailer

Little Butch · Jan 30, 2018

I'm looking into buying an ifor trailer to collect and deliver logs. I figured if I'm going to spend this much money on a trailer it may as well double up as a vehicle trailer if I ever get round to buying an off-road toy etc.

I want to know what the smallest trailer I can get is which will fit say a 110 on? 12ft flatbed?

freelance · Jan 30, 2018

Law get very shirty with overhang, so make that 14’ or 16’

Little Butch · Jan 30, 2018

May have to be a 14ft as I worked with a 16ft yesterday and although handy, it was just too big! Is the triaxle worth the extra money and reduced payload?

Discokids · Jan 30, 2018

110 / 12 = 9.166 so technically anything over 10' would get the wheels on.
However, a 110 is actually about 14' long so 14' would be the answer.
It was also said in another thread yesterday that bigger trailer = more metal = less payload.
Tri axle really would only come into its own if you have a blowout and you've still got two tyres ont road on that side. It would also increase stability at speed but how fast you gonna drive in a landy with an ifor on back with another landy on it?
16' tri axle would be nice, yes, but will it actually take a 110 legally?

listerdiesel · Jan 31, 2018

Ifor Williams flatbeds are great for general hauling, but their build makes the centre of gravity too high for comfortable car towing, especially the heavies like 109" Series and Discoveries.
The wheel track is narrower than a car transporter, so your car load is high and balanced over a narrow track.
Personally I hire a car transporter when I need to move a vehicle, wider track, much lower deck height.

Peter

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

listerdiesel said:
Ifor Williams flatbeds are great for general hauling, but their build makes the centre of gravity too high for comfortable car towing, especially the heavies like 109" Series and Discoveries.
The wheel track is narrower than a car transporter, so your car load is high and balanced over a narrow track.
Personally I hire a car transporter when I need to move a vehicle, wider track, much lower deck height.

Peter

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Car trailer is much nicer for cars. But for occasional car towing use, it is quite possible to use a 14 ft flatbed, provided you have the ramps, and take it easy.

On the other hand, a car trailer isn't great for logs and general agricultural purposes.

Joemac434 · Jan 31, 2018

Ifors are well built and handle well with weight on,their brakes are good but you have to keep them adjusted properly.I use a 16" one to move my tractor and plough around,only a tandem axle and as long as I'm sensible on corners ,hardly know its there

freelance · Jan 31, 2018

Trouble is two extreme loads, logs need small neat tipper,landy needs big flat bed

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

I've used a 12' to move a 110, take the ladder rack off, (if it has one) and the front bumper can over hang the drawbar slightly, you want it marginally nose heavy to avoid the tail wagging the dog.

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

Have used a 12' and an adapted Sankey for delivering logs, used to charge 200 for the Ifor and 140 for the Sankey. Never measured capacity but sold a fair bit. Never did it as a real earner, just to help shift log pile in my yard.

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

freelance said:
Law get very shirty with overhang, so make that 14’ or 16’

Out of interest, whats the basis of this? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...09165/Information_Sheet_Overhanging_loads.pdf
This doc says under a meter overhang not a problem. I'm not nit-picking, just interested as I have had overhanging loads on trailers before, and not been pulled. Always thought the main thing to watch out for was not to over load and keep the weight distribution slightly nose heavy without overloading the back axle/drawbar of the tow vehicle.

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

Huntinghicap said:
Out of interest, whats the basis of this? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...09165/Information_Sheet_Overhanging_loads.pdf
This doc says under a meter overhang not a problem. I'm not nit-picking, just interested as I have had overhanging loads on trailers before, and not been pulled. Always thought the main thing to watch out for was not to over load and keep the weight distribution slightly nose heavy without overloading the back axle/drawbar of the tow vehicle.

For actual safety, I think you are right. But some traffic cops like all the Ts crossed, and Is dotted.
A good example is tieing stuff down. I used to know full well that a couple of ratchet straps will not hold six big round silage bales in an impact.
But I used to put them on, and few blue ropes for good measure, even if I was only going a few miles at 20mph.
Purely cosmetic if you pass a jam sandwich at the roadside!

freelance · Jan 31, 2018

Huntinghicap said:
Out of interest, whats the basis of this? https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...09165/Information_Sheet_Overhanging_loads.pdf
This doc says under a meter overhang not a problem. I'm not nit-picking, just interested as I have had overhanging loads on trailers before, and not been pulled. Always thought the main thing to watch out for was not to over load and keep the weight distribution slightly nose heavy without overloading the back axle/drawbar of the tow vehicle.

Probably depends where you are in the country and the zeal of traffic police

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

Turboman said:
For actual safety, I think you are right. But some traffic cops like all the Ts crossed, and Is dotted.
A good example is tieing stuff down. I used to know full well that a couple of ratchet straps will not hold six big round silage bales in an impact.
But I used to put them on, and few blue ropes for good measure, even if I was only going a few miles at 20mph.
Purely cosmetic if you pass a jam sandwich at the roadside!

Absolutely...although to be fair not much would hold them on in an impact, at least it stops them falling off (hopefully) I used to operate for a contractor in South Devon steep hillsides and flat eights of conventional bales on a bouncy trailer could get interesting....specially when you are towing with a telehandler

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

freelance said:
Probably depends where you are in the country and the zeal of traffic police

To be fair if you have working lights etc they tend to leave you alone. Have seen an 12' Ifor being confiscated by the old bill at Pease Pottage services once, bloke was towing it behind a Volvo XC70 with a couple of digger buckets on it...would have been way over his towing capacity....

I used to tow these hoists around the country for a mate, sorry about the pickup

tbh it was sh*t for towing compared to my 110...but his motor so free for me

oldskool · Jan 31, 2018

Lorry windscreen height nice

has got lights ect. at rear though

Huntinghicap · Jan 31, 2018

yes horrible isnt it! I had a blowout with that one on the M1, about a mile before watford gap services, while the 50mph no hard shoulder thing was in force....metal barrier between me and the hardshoulder.....came to a halt and all I could see was a Bl**dy great artic bearing down on me in the rear view mirror....had to drag it on the rim at about 15 mph all the way to the services....not my favourite day...tbf the truck sat behind me with his hazards on as a bit of an escort all the way there.

Turboman · Jan 31, 2018

Huntinghicap said:
Absolutely...although to be fair not much would hold them on in an impact, at least it stops them falling off (hopefully) I used to operate for a contractor in South Devon steep hillsides and flat eights of conventional bales on a bouncy trailer could get interesting....specially when you are towing with a telehandler

Big round never shift if they have been stacked for a while, the bottoms go completely flat, and the bales oval.
Small square can topple, I always used to tie them carefully if more than a couple of layers high.
West Cornwall is pretty hilly too, and lots of idiots on the roads in hay season.

Joemac434 · Jan 31, 2018

freelance said:
Trouble is two extreme loads, logs need small neat tipper,landy needs big flat bed

You can get the flat with detachable sides that's what mine is and with long ramps7' it's not steep for loading vehicles

freelance · Jan 31, 2018

I have one too, but I much prefer logs in a tipper, no handling !

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